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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
What, exactly, have Democrats been warning Americans about the dangers of metadata collections? Has it not been the indiscriminate collection of metadata by agencies like the NSA?
This is not that. These call records are subpoenas obtained from ISPs (e.g., AT&T, Verizon), not US government intelligence agencies, and obtained through lawful subpoena of Lev Parnas and Rudy Giuliani, two targets of the investigation. This is the traditional and uncontroversial collection of evidence during an investigation and has not been a subject of Democratic complaint over the years. What happened was that Solomon and Nunes were both caught being in contact, at best, or collusion, at worst, with the very people Trump enlisted to smear his own ambassador and push a Kremlin-approved conspiracy theory about Ukraine hacking the DNC/Cloudstrike servers.
And -- I gotta say -- folks here know the difference. It wouldn't need to be explained again if people would just stop trying to latch onto each and every new thing bad actors are trying to make into a diversionary outrage.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostThat's false, ignorant, and in my opinion you understand it to be a lie. President Obama not only personally warned Putin to knock it off, but he also made it known to Congress what was taking place, and Moscow Mitch threatened that if Obama made that public that he, Moscow Mitch, would use it to to say that Obama was just trying to effect the election. It was the republican Congress, led by Moscow Mitch, that didn't care about Russian meddling, not the Obama administration.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostIn point of fact, the wailing and gnashing was coming from everyone but Trump, but apparently, because the Democrats were also opposed, the perpetual partisan hack bot doing your posting nowadays obligates you to push the other way, even if it's also against the entirety of the Republican party and the Trump administration, too.
Bolton, and the NSC, were opposed. State, and Pompeo, were opposed. Defense was opposed. The joint staff was opposed.
It's just you and Trump on this, rougebot.
And Mick Mulvaney, maybe.
Also in point of fact, the lethal aid under Trump's administration, opposed by Trump himself, is strategic, not tactical. Unlike the training and professionalization of their military, begun on a bipartisan basis under Obama, the Javelins aren't actually being used to lethal effect. Their presence on the battlefield deters the deployment of Russian tanks, meaning Russian tanks don't enter the battlefield.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostFirst, it's "aid."
And even more first ...
... the unanimous response is ranging from "no, you," to more partisan hackery, as if a heavy enough counter-accusation, repeatedly frequently enough, will somehow make the facts go away, or provide an excuse for the hackery.
It's still nope. And more still nope.
Even if your lies were true, they wouldn't amount to a defense of Trump's Russian butt-licking. And only the Russians call Ukraine "the Ukraine" anymore. They do it because it demeans Ukraine as an independent country. That's not a good look on someone accusing someone else of failing to support Ukraine against the Russians.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostKindly disregard the "Amen." I pulled a CP.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm honored!Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOh, that's easy. Schiff didn't have access to the data in the complaint, and the data in the complaint was substantiated, so the only one that could possibly have had anything to do with facts contained in the complaint itself, was the whistleblower himself. What do you think, that Schiff made the whole thing up and then it just happened to turn out to be true?
To the converse:
Seventh time: prove it. Where's this exonerating evidence you stated exists."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Shouldn't equal measure apply here? You claimed that Schiff had contact with the whistleblower and just posted a fact check that rebuts your claim. If JimL is to prove the negative (not quite sure how one would do that but the article you provide is evidence for his claim), shouldn't you provide evidence for the affirmative?
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostEvidently not - YOU stated you had evidence that PROVED Schiff did not have contact with the whistle blower prior to the complaint - WHERE IS IT?
To the converse:
Seventh time: prove it. Where's this exonerating evidence you stated exists."I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostEvidently not - YOU stated you had evidence that PROVED Schiff did not have contact with the whistle blower prior to the complaint - WHERE IS IT?
To the converse:
Seventh time: prove it. Where's this exonerating evidence you stated exists.Last edited by JimL; 12-11-2019, 12:40 AM.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIt's past time for a criminal investigation into Adam Schiff.Originally posted by seer View PostThis is why all this needs to go to the Senate for trial...Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat will only happen if he switches parties.Originally posted by seanD View PostSchiff is 100% lawless.
I'm now leaning more towards this whole thing solely being a cover-up of Obama/Biden Ukraine activity. Trump was getting too close to the truth. CIA mole sounds the alarm to Schiff, and the Establishment Dems create the media smokes screen.Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThey falsely accuse Trump of abuse of power while abusing power themselves.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostThis is what an echo chamber looks like.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAh, now I see your error. Thats why you should have answered me when I asked you about 5 or 6 times what it was that you wanted me to prove. I never claimed what you're asking me to prove, I never said that I had evidence that Schiff never talked with the whistleblower, what I said was "who cares if he did", what difference does it make?
Originally posted by JimL View PostIf he had contact with the whistleblower, which for one, is just a republican assertion, and two, who the hell cares, and why? Schiff doesn't have anything to do with the whistleblowers complaint, which by the way is confirmed by evidence. So, seriously, other than your being told to care, why do you care?
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