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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I think even Shifty Schiff realizes how weak the articles are for failing to name any actual crimes. He tried fixing it on the fly yesterday when he started talking about quid pro quo, even going so far as to misrepresent what Gordan Sondland said. Jay Sekulow was quick to point out that "quid pro quo" isn't even part of the indictment.
    Scjiff is doing the Republicans a great service by boring the public to death, repeating the same things over and over and over and over...

    And he may well have opened the door to requiring the Bidens - and himself - to be called as witnesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I think even Shifty Schiff realizes how weak the articles are for failing to name any actual crimes. He tried fixing it on the fly yesterday when he started talking about quid pro quo, even going so far as to misrepresent what Gordan Sondland said. Jay Sekulow was quick to point out that "quid pro quo" isn't even part of the indictment.
    As usual, you think wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    The extortion charge is explained in detail in the Articles. Read them!
    Then why didn't they charge him with extortion? Hmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Then why didn't they charge him with extortion? Hmm?
    They did, it's called abuse of power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    They did, it's called abuse of power.
    no Jim. Extortion is an actual crime. If he did it, they would have listed it as such in the Articles. Because that would be something that they could impeach him on constitutionally. "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" remember? "Abuse of Power" isn't a crime. It's an accusation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Impeachable abuses have never required proof of crime. Trump’s behavior is a classic example of abuse of presidential power for personal, political gain and is therefore properly impeachable.
    Nope. You are begging the question. There is simply no evidence that Trump was at all concerned about 2020. Not a shred.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    no Jim. Extortion is an actual crime. If he did it, they would have listed it as such in the Articles. Because that would be something that they could impeach him on constitutionally. "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" remember? "Abuse of Power" isn't a crime. It's an accusation.
    Extortion comes under the name "abuse of power" where impeachment of a president is concerned, and the act of extortion is detailed in the Articles themselves. Soliciting a foriegn country to interfere in U.S. elections is also an abuse of power, though not a crime, and withholding appropriated funds to that end without notifying Congress and giving a reason for the hold is another Abuse of power as well as a crime, a violation of the Impoundment act. All of that is detailed in the articles and is being explained in detail at the trial. And yes, the evidence is overwhelming, should you not be watching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Nope. You are begging the question. There is simply no evidence that Trump was at all concerned about 2020. Not a shred.
    There was no basis for the investigation the president was pursuing and pushing into Biden. None. The only viable explanation for why he broke federal law by withholding Congress-approved military aid to Ukraine is that he was doing it for his own political benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    There was no basis for the investigation the president was pursuing and pushing into Biden. None.
    How do you know this?

    The only viable explanation for why he broke federal law by withholding Congress-approved military aid to Ukraine is that he was doing it for his own political benefit.
    Perhaps you're unaware, comrade, that ONLY the prosecution has been heard from thus far? And, contrary to Uncle Joe's claims, the "Biden situation" has NEVER been debunked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    There was no basis for the investigation the president was pursuing and pushing into Biden. None. The only viable explanation for why he broke federal law by withholding Congress-approved military aid to Ukraine is that he was doing it for his own political benefit.
    There seemed to be enough basis for the Obama Administration to begin an investigation into Hunter -- which was summarily nipped in the bud at the insistence of a very angry Joe Biden.

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