The Joe Biden thread

[DivineOb]

That's a bet I'm not at all confident in, like I said. I'd have to be 100%, or even 70% confident in the intelligence and reasoning of the DNC. No thanks.

To avoid being accused of arguing by weblink I'm going to have to ask to you imagine I inserted a link to the Minor Threat song "Small man, big mouth" here.

[Cow Poke]

Ok, I understand your perspective I think. I agree, as I think would most, that Biden's best days are behind him and he's not who I would ideally choose to be president.

So far, so good.

I don't think he will crack like you say but I'd much rather just take another Obama term as would I think most.

Understood.

Let me clarify my perspective. The most important characteristic of any politician is that they win and I believe Biden has the best shot at winning based on the data in front of me (at best it could be claimed that he was even money with Sanders for a short while though that radically misstates things). He may not be the ideal person to be President but he might be the ideal person to run against Trump (e.g. third Obama term, direction of the country under Obama etc.)

I still think it's too early to tell, because I think we quite know how far the current backlash is going to go, or how fast the economy begins to turn around. That's about the ONLY chance Biden has - that things stay in a shambles.

[Starlight]

One thing that could cause problems for Trump is if the Democrats manage to push through their "vote cheat by mail" scheme, even if it's only in a few key states.

Voting by mail works very well. Republican Utah has been using it successfully, as has Democratic Washington. As has my own country for local elections.

It's understandable though that you're fearful that vote-by-mail will mean you Republicans won't be able to use your usual voter suppression tactics in swing states to stop Democrats from voting. Be a real shame if everyone who was constitutionally entitled to do so, actually got to vote, wouldn't it?

[Mountain Man]

Voting by mail works very well.

Especially if you're trying to steal an election.

[JimL]

Especially if you're trying to steal an election.

The republican in the California special election seat, formally held by a democrat, just won that election which was an all mail in ballot election. I guess the republicans must be mailing in fraudulent ballots, eh?

[DivineOb]

Especially if you're trying to steal an election.

I know of only one major mail in ballot cheating scandal. It was a Republican scandal in North Carolina and was bad enough that they had to redo the election. Surely you can point me to a Democratic scandal of similar severity.

[JimL]

I know of only one major mail in ballot cheating scandal. It was a Republican scandal in North Carolina and was bad enough that they had to redo the election. Sure you can point me to a Democratic scandal of similar severity.

Its the republican party modis operandi to accuse the democrats of what it is they know they themselves are actually guilty of.

[Bill the Cat]

I know of only one major mail in ballot cheating scandal. It was a Republican scandal in North Carolina and was bad enough that they had to redo the election. Surely you can point me to a Democratic scandal of similar severity.

There was a Democrat one in Northern Virginia.

[DivineOb]

There was a Democrat one in Northern Virginia.

I'm going to need you to be a little more specific than that.

[Bill the Cat]

I'm going to need you to be a little more specific than that.

Vafalay Massaquoi pleaded guilty to one count of falsifying voter registration applications and two counts of forging a public record. While working for New Virginia Majority, a liberal advocacy group, Massaquoi filed voter applications for completely made-up Alexandria residents. An Alexandria official noticed the voter applications were all filled out in the same handwriting and turned the documents over to the authorities. Massaquoi was sentenced to five years' imprisonment for each count. His sentences were set to run concurrently and will be suspended pending his good behavior. He was also sentenced to 500 hours of community service.

Source: bit.ly/2l0Lqqp, wapo.st/2lpZBsz

Not necessarily ballot fraud, but false registrations with the intent to vote via mail-in ballot. You can find more here:

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

[Mountain Man]

There was a Democrat one in Northern Virginia.

That, and there were the significant discrepancies discovered in every Michigan district that Hillary won in 2016. In fact, things were so messed up that they couldn't even do a recount.

[DivineOb]

Vafalay Massaquoi pleaded guilty to one count of falsifying voter registration applications and two counts of forging a public record. While working for New Virginia Majority, a liberal advocacy group, Massaquoi filed voter applications for completely made-up Alexandria residents. An Alexandria official noticed the voter applications were all filled out in the same handwriting and turned the documents over to the authorities. Massaquoi was sentenced to five years' imprisonment for each count. His sentences were set to run concurrently and will be suspended pending his good behavior. He was also sentenced to 500 hours of community service.

Source: bit.ly/2l0Lqqp, wapo.st/2lpZBsz

Not necessarily ballot fraud, but false registrations with the intent to vote via mail-in ballot. You can find more here:

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

So that example in no way is comparable to the North Carolina case. Nor does it, even when taken along with the North Carolina case, warrant MM's claim that expanding access to vote by mail is an effective tool for "stealing an election."

[DivineOb]

That, and there were the significant discrepancies discovered in every Michigan district that Hillary won in 2016. In fact, things were so messed up that they couldn't even do a recount.

Sounds serious. What did Trump's voter fraud commission find when they investigated that?

[Starlight]

Sounds serious. What did Trump's voter fraud commission find when they investigated that?

Not even a single fraudulent ballot?

[Mountain Man]

Sounds serious. What did Trump's voter fraud commission find when they investigated that?

Here's the details, assuming you're genuinely interested and aren't just playing dumb again.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...ncts/95363314/

The problem with discovering voting fraud is that Democrats have fought like cornered rats to block any laws and rules that would make voting fraud detectable and preventable (for instance, requiring in-person voting with a government issued photo ID). So in a lot of cases, voting fraud can't be proven simply because the information needed to prove it is never collected, or Democrat controlled election boards refuse to turn over the necessary information to investigate it.

More details about the President's commission, again assuming you're genuinely interested and aren't just playing dumb again.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...tion-meddling/

Seriously, this stuff isn't hard to find. I can only assume a lack of interest on your part.