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Why vote for a Christian?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by simplicio View Post
    How does one differentiate between the pretend Christian and the real deal?

    Many claim Carter is not a real Christian while Reagan is. Yet in 1980, many wondered if the Christian had a duty to vote for the born again Christian over the divorced Hollywood star.

    Apparently Donald Trump is the real deal, several prominent Christians, such as James Dobson, examined him and declared him to be the real deal.

    And how is the politician different from any other Christian? For some reason, each individual thinks he is the real deal, and the problem is with the other.

    Apparently few Christians really see an advantage to having Christians in politics, or any other institution. And the reason seems to be that they are not Christian enough!
    I think whether or not a politician is a real Christian shows up in their work. For example, Carter has been scandal free as an ex president and active in many many charities. George W. Bush is another example of someone whose actions speak louder than words. And as far as other's go, I get the idea that Mike Pence is genuine as well in his faith. But my comments are judging on actions. Bear in mind I think one can be a Christian and make mistakes, but to me the volume and number of "mistakes" (such as affairs with many women, or being involved in other things which Paul preaches against in Galations 5) speaks a lot as to whether or not a person is truly a Christian.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by simplicio View Post
      What makes a real Christian, as opposed to the pretend Christian, and how does one tell the real from the pretend?

      Does the Pretend Christian realize that he is not the real McCoy?
      By their fruit you shall know them.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by simplicio View Post
        What makes a real Christian, as opposed to the pretend Christian, and how does one tell the real from the pretend?
        One common type of Pretend Christian is the nominal Christian. He has been well-described before.

        Does the Pretend Christian realize that he is not the real McCoy?
        Some of them probably do. Some of them deliberately pretend (e.g. most politicians).

        Many claim Carter is not a real Christian while Reagan is. Yet in 1980, many wondered if the Christian had a duty to vote for the born again Christian over the divorced Hollywood star.
        It's hard to accept that they are both probably not, and that it's been worse in every subsequent race where it is almost certain to downright clear that both main candidates are pretend Christians. What do you do now?

        Apparently Donald Trump is the real deal


        Apparently few Christians really see an advantage to having Christians in politics, or any other institution. And the reason seems to be that they are not Christian enough!
        Ha.

        First, be sure of your starting point. As a nation, the US hasn't been Christian for some time, only Pretend Christian, with most self-declared Christians being Pretend Christians. Firmly fix that as a first point, then it might be easier to decide what a real Christian should do.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by simplicio View Post
          Why vote for a Christian?
          In a country with more Pretend Christians than real ones, and a small fraction of politicians being real ones, it is simply virtue signalling at this point. Why else did people like Hillary, Obama, Trump or Romney get 'cleared' on this?
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            By their fruit you shall know them.
            Is that how Christians ought to judge Trump?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by simplicio View Post
              Is that how Christians ought to judge Trump?
              Absolutely. He will never be asked to teach or preach in my church, or serve on any committees of value, or serve in any position of leadership.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Absolutely. He will never be asked to teach or preach in my church, or serve on any committees of value, or serve in any position of leadership.
                Interesting, and the response makes sense. But I think it significant that the argument never carried weight when Romney was running.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                  Interesting, and the response makes sense. But I think it significant that the argument never carried weight when Romney was running.
                  How so?
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    How so?
                    Probably because he's a member of a pseudo-Christian cult -- Mormonism -- and therefore an infidel, regardless of how nice his behavior is.

                    Something I don't know: Did evangelicals support Romney to the same extent as Trump? I know *I* supported him, and AFAIK all my evangelical friends did, but I don't know whether that was generally the case.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                      Probably because he's a member of a pseudo-Christian cult -- Mormonism -- and therefore an infidel, regardless of how nice his behavior is.

                      Something I don't know: Did evangelicals support Romney to the same extent as Trump? I know *I* supported him, and AFAIK all my evangelical friends did, but I don't know whether that was generally the case.
                      That question is complicated, I'd think, by who it was Romney and Trump ran against. Since I was voting more AGAINST Hillary that I was FOR Trump, I don't think I was thinking in the same way in voting FOR Romney as opposed to Obama. But I've slept a couple times since then, so...
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        That question is complicated, I'd think, by who it was Romney and Trump ran against. Since I was voting more AGAINST Hillary that I was FOR Trump, I don't think I was thinking in the same way in voting FOR Romney as opposed to Obama. But I've slept a couple times since then, so...
                        That response raises the question if Obama was more acceptable the Climton!

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                          That response raises the question if Obama was more acceptable the Climton!
                          I think Obama was less objectionable than Clinton - how's that?
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            I think Obama was less objectionable than Clinton - how's that?
                            Was there a substantive difference between the two liberal Democrats?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                              Was there a substantive difference between the two liberal Democrats?
                              Interesting.... I think Obama was a lot less dishonest than Clinton. She will do or say anything to get elected, regardless of her personal beliefs.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                Interesting.... I think Obama was a lot less dishonest than Clinton. She will do or say anything to get elected, regardless of her personal beliefs.
                                So Hillary is marked by a deep dishonesty, in contrast to Obama and Trump.

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