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    Biden Uses Boris Johnson to Warn Democrats Against Moving “So Far To The Left”

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    UK Election: Anti-Boris Johnson protesters clash with police in London

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    UK Election: Anti-Boris Johnson protesters clash with police in London

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    "Occupy London"?
    Why are leftists so unoriginal?
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    Why are leftists so unoriginal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    a landslide victory for the Conservatives
    Is there anything much about the UK Conservative party that Americans would identify as 'socially conservative'?

    - Abortion is legal in the UK, with a few restrictions ("abortion is generally allowed for socio-economic reasons during the first twenty-four weeks of the pregnancy" -wiki), and government-funded, and the Conservative party is not proposing changing this.

    - Same sex marriage was recognized in England during the tenure of a Conservative party government, and the Conservative party isn't proposing changing this.

    - Their leader, Boris Johnson, seems to lean more atheist than Christian:
    Although baptised a Catholic and later confirmed into the Church of England, Johnson has stated that "his faith comes and goes" and that he is not a serious practising Christian. He holds ancient Greek statesman and orator Pericles as a personal hero. According to Johnson's biographer, Andrew Gimson, regarding ancient Greek and Roman polytheism: "it is clear that [Johnson] is inspired by the Romans, and even more by the Greeks, and repelled by the early Christians". Johnson views secular humanism positively and sees it as owing more to the classical world than Christian thinking. -wiki
    Nor is the UK Conservative party as a whole, AFAICT, trying to present itself as a Christian party nor is it running on making the UK more Christian.

    - Boris Johnson also has a history of drug use, and a Trump-like history of marriages and affairs, as well as one of his affairs leading to a child and another to abortions.

    About the only value I can identify in the UK Conservative party that US social conservatives on this forum would like, is its anti-immigration rhetoric / desire to change immigration policy.
    (And that's not something I associate very strongly with social conservativism anyway, because here in New Zealand the right-wing party wants massive immigration in order to drive up house prices and make their rich home-owning voters richer, while the left wing parties are worried about rising house prices and environmental impacts etc and so want less immigration)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
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    About the only value I can identify in the UK Conservative party that US social conservatives on this forum would like, is its anti-immigration rhetoric / desire to change immigration policy. (And that's not something I associate very strongly with social conservativism anyway, because here in New Zealand the right-wing party wants massive immigration in order to drive up house prices and make their rich home-owning voters richer, while the left wing parties are worried about rising house prices and environmental impacts etc and so want less immigration)
    In either case, the issue would be LEGAL immigration, yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And angry, and destructive, and disorderly, and uncouth....

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    Was Jesus never any of those? Guess we must be reading different gospels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Was Jesus never any of those? Guess we must be reading different gospels.
    He never sinned. So, yeah, you're reading one of those false gospels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    In either case, the issue would be LEGAL immigration, yes?
    In NZ, the issue is legal immigration yes (we have some illegal immigration but it is almost never talked about because basically no one cares, and the quantity of it is low compared to legal immigration), and I assume from what I have read that the issue in the UK is also legal immigration.

    So I guess in neither country illegal immigration is the issue like it is in the US... so in that case is there nothing about the UK Conservative party for US social conservatives to like?

    A few US posters here seem to think that the UK Conservative party winning is a good thing. Are they just being fooled by the name of it into thinking it has something in common with them?

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