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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    What I don't see is any plausibility to the claim. How would 5G radiation cause cancer? It is microwave energy, so all it could do is heat up tissue a little bit. But so will a pillow, your hand, a sauna, running, etc... There's no prior plausibility to the claim, so the evidence of danger would have to be significance, and there's hardly any threat here from the data.

    On that I think we can proceed.
    Ah. A scientist would see the need for scientific studies to find out what the biological effects are, not just assume that heating is the only mechanism. Science tries to takes us beyond what our intuition is and to find out if our intuition is correct or something more is happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Obviously the answer is to get to 6G as fast as possible.
    I think the body can only handle 3Gs

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    I think the body can only handle 3Gs
    Unless you're a fighter pilot with a pressure suit, then you can handle 6 or 7 Gs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    Ah. A scientist would see the need for scientific studies to find out what the biological effects are, not just assume that heating is the only mechanism. Science tries to takes us beyond what our intuition is and to find out if our intuition is correct or something more is happening.
    That's not actually the way it works.

    If a group of people started claiming that, say, the increase in global average temperature observed over the last two centuries has been caused by a decline in Caribbean sailship piracy, we don't need to commission studies to prove this claim wrong in order to recognize that it is specious and untenable.

    Similarly, 5G radiation is non-ionizing. The physics behind the interaction of photons and molecules is very well established and understood. We don't need to commission widescale studies to dismiss health concerns about 5G radiation as being specious and untenable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boxing Pythagoras View Post
    The physics behind the interaction of photons and molecules is very well established and understood. We don't need to commission widescale studies to dismiss health concerns about 5G radiation as being specious and untenable.
    I can't find the court decision, but one came out a while back that (paraphrasing) said "we don't have to re-derive atomic theory every time the EPA considers regulating carbon dioxide".
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    Ah. A scientist would see the need for scientific studies to find out what the biological effects are, not just assume that heating is the only mechanism. Science tries to takes us beyond what our intuition is and to find out if our intuition is correct or something more is happening.
    That isn't how risk assessment works, we test for things that have a prior plausibility mostly. Sometimes it can be worth it to explore far out and novel situations, however in this case there is no proposed mechanism, nor is there any expectation of something like that happening. And if there is, the focus should be on demonstrating something like that, rather than presuming danger.

    If anyone is willing to do research like that they should be allowed to, however, until we have clear evidence that it is dangerous it is perfectly valid to presume that there is no danger, based on current theories showing that microwave radiation only causes heating.

    And as it stands there's simply no plausible mechanism by which microwave radiation can cause changes to DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I started the thread because I was curious, and 5G seems to be a very hot topic.
    I think it's because the waves from 5G are slowly cooking our brains. But I'm safe, I have my tinfoil hat for when I go out, and there are no transmitters near my house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    I think the body can only handle 3Gs
    What about Bee Gees?

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    This video is interesting by Martin Pall,PhD, concerning harm from EMF

    5 Most Critical Areas of Harm (Part 2)with Martin Pall, PhD

    https://the5gsummit.com/expert/martin-pall-2/

    This link is only available today (Saturday, june 6)

    In part, he discusses EMF calcium gates, VGCCs. Earlier in the video he mentions of a Chinese study on rats exposed to pulsed EMF in their earlier years who then had characteristics of alzheimers later, without being exposed to such pulses, after the initial test. The design of 5G is that these short pulses will be characteristic and essential to 5G
    Calicium Gates VGCCs.jpg

    I'm not sure yet where this Chinese study can be found. This video acts more as an introduction to the science.

    If the smaller copy of the VGCC diagram appears (within a larger white area), I was unable to delete that from the post after adding the better copy. Oh well.
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    Last edited by mikewhitney; 06-06-2020 at 11:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    What about Bee Gees?
    Those are also proven to be harmful

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