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    What's that? lilpixieofterror's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    I know it's not true that Buttigieg is "only using the scripture to justify his political aspirations and to justify his own lifestyle." And that's second-hand but close second-hand knowledge.

    And I'm setting no trap -- you caught yourself up in contradictions the moment you made the retort. You assert that Buttigieg is not a legitimate commentator of Scripture because he's a "practicing homosexual" and "an advocate of abortion".

    In the first case, my point was that a bevy of people, here and elsewhere, violate much more core aspects of Scripture concerning compassion and cruelty, support to the oppressed vs. support to the oppressor -- always without you and others challenging their legitimacy to use Scripture (Pence comes to mind, as do men like Graham, Huckabee, and any number of Republican politicians).

    In the second case, you are even more contradictory: you and others here routinely try to play both sides of fence when it comes to whether the government -- and Christian government officials -- should operate according to Scripture or to secular standards. Buttigieg's platform acknowledges abortion as a constitutional right, a position that remains the law of the land. Now, whenever we talk about Pence and Trump refusing refugees from coming to safety in America or whenever people try to defend the administration for separating children or forcing asylum seekers to wait in dangerous Mexico border towns, y'all immediately jump to how the government isn't the Church and can't be held to Christian strictures or standards. This has been applied not only to "government" as an abstract force but to Christian politicians and officials who are making these policies.

    So that's the trap you yourself set: you can't condemn Buttigieg as an illegitimate commentator of Scripture while giving a pass to others when they violate the more foundational principles of the Gospel or even when they violate biblical strictures in similar vein (e.g., remarriage, cohabitation, divorce).

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Must be great to be perfect. When can I be perfect too?
    When you step onto the streets of Glory clothed in the Righteousness of Christ. Not a moment sooner.
    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    No. It's because he's only using the scripture to justify his political aspirations and to justify his own lifestyle - and the lost world praises his "refreshing" approach to the Bible.
    Some would consider you to be inhabiting the “lost world”. Must be reassuring to know you’ve got it right and everyone else has got it wrong. Since when have Christians agreed among themselves anyway?

    And you left out my reference to his pro=abortion stand, squishy though it may be.
    Many Christians support RvW just as many support LGBT rights.

    Is it your believe that Buttigieg IS "a legitimate commentator", and we should accept him as an authority on the Word of God?
    Buttigieg is just as legitimate as a crusty old codger like you. There's a reason why your denomination is dying.

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/ne...ntion-gss.html

    But you can comfort yourself as being among the "faithful remnant".
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    I'll answer to mine and you'll answer to the same.

    It's funny, though -- in my church conference, at least, the same people who who excoriate gay couples as anti-Scriptural have no concern about those who have remarried, even numerous times. Many don't have any real problem, in practice, with couples who never get formally married and live as boyfriend/girlfriend.

    It used to make me wonder. It doesn't anymore. A man like Trump or Pence can get away with serial philandering or tearing children away from their parents and receive high praise; it was never, in the end, actually about Christ.

    --Sam
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    Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

    Beige Nationalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    But go ahead and keep quoting from a book whose message you ultimately reject if you think it will manipulate me into suddenly agreeing with your politics.
    Actually, you reject it already. I have shown time and time again how what you say and what you promote is contrary to scripture. Instead of providing arguments you attack my person when I do so. So, ultimately, when it all comes down, you reject so much of what is in the Bible and promote the opposite.
    "That is the little thing, the small thing, which Trump demands of his followers: To call hot cold. To call black white. To call wrong right." Michael Gerson

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    False statement. Please try to catch up: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post702986

    And you might want to try with the truth next time.
    "That is the little thing, the small thing, which Trump demands of his followers: To call hot cold. To call black white. To call wrong right." Michael Gerson

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Yup. "Creampuff Christ"

    You are creating a god in your own image and rejecting the one in Scripture.
    Because the "Christ" who allows you to feel just while you are promoting policies making sure the weak, the stranger and the hungry are not treated in fair and decent ways is not your "creampuff Christ"? He is so convenient for you to believe in. Wake up because you are the one who continues to reject the one in Scripture.
    "That is the little thing, the small thing, which Trump demands of his followers: To call hot cold. To call black white. To call wrong right." Michael Gerson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    It's actually much better to actually do it than blog about it or appoint yourself as the unofficial Nanny of Tweb to judge others.
    And if you're going to quote the Bible - try doing what it says regarding repentance, Charles.
    You do not know what I am doing, so there is that.

    I don't believe for a second that you are a true believer, so I wonder who needs to repent...
    "That is the little thing, the small thing, which Trump demands of his followers: To call hot cold. To call black white. To call wrong right." Michael Gerson

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Must be great to be perfect. When can I be perfect too?
    No one can be perfect here, and no one is. But this reply to Sam's post is closer to what one would expect of a heckler at an outdoor evangelistic service than a person that has accepted Christ.

    Why?
    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    No one can be perfect here, and no one is. But this reply to Sam's post is closer to what one would expect of a heckler at an outdoor evangelistic service than a person that has accepted Christ.

    Why?
    A response to a bunch of smug, arrogant holier-than-thou sanctimoniousness would be my guess.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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