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Originally posted by Sam View PostButtigieg's lifestyle and rhetoric are far more in line with Scriptural themes than most of the pro-Trump Christians I see talkin' here and elsewhere. If your metric for anti-Scriptural behavior goes to "is gay" rather than "is cruel", it's your heart that needs realignment toward the Christian God.
--Sam
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
But He was never cruel, nor was He dismissive of the poor, the helpless, or the stranger.
Folks have become far too accustomed to using Christ as a weapon -- as their weapon. He's not. People align with what He valued or they align against it ... and that values alignment rarely delineates cleanly between the "saved" and the "damned".
But, that's enough proselytizing. We know what the fruits of the Spirit are and we can see who exhibits them. We can compare public figures with how they stack up and look at just who Christians here support and attack, understanding their value system in the process.
The sheep and the goats will sort themselves.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Yup. "Creampuff Christ"
You are creating a god in your own image and rejecting the one in Scripture.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYup. "Creampuff Christ"
You are creating a god in your own image and rejecting the one in Scripture.
It's funny, though -- in my church conference, at least, the same people who who excoriate gay couples as anti-Scriptural have no concern about those who have remarried, even numerous times. Many don't have any real problem, in practice, with couples who never get formally married and live as boyfriend/girlfriend.
It used to make me wonder. It doesn't anymore. A man like Trump or Pence can get away with serial philandering or tearing children away from their parents and receive high praise; it was never, in the end, actually about Christ.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostButtigieg's lifestyle and rhetoric are far more in line with Scriptural themes than most of the pro-Trump Christians I see talkin' here and elsewhere. If your metric for anti-Scriptural behavior goes to "is gay" rather than "is cruel", it's your heart that needs realignment toward the Christian God.
--Sam
Buttigieg is openly defiant to the Scripture's teaching against homosexual relationships. That he does "good stuff" is a good thing, but it doesn't justify his perversion of Scripture.
Plus, he's pro-abortion, but too squishy to come out and admit it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostI knew someone would go for the ad hominem.
If only you had the arguments to prove him wrong you would probably do so instead of pointing fingers at the person.
I know I have made this point many times but that is because some of you seem to be rather stuck in the ad hominem trap, so blame yourself if you find it tiresome.
Here is your new chance: Show why what he says is wrong. If you cannot I am not interested in hearing more personal attacks.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sam View PostThe sheep and the goats will sort themselves.
--SamThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostSo it is cynical to quote the Bible when the weak, the hungry and the stranger are treated in inhuman ways?
And if you're going to quote the Bible - try doing what it says regarding repentance, Charles.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCalm yourself, brother - you're doing that spiritual grandstand thing again, and mixing a bunch of stuff up.
Buttigieg is openly defiant to the Scripture's teaching against homosexual relationships. That he does "good stuff" is a good thing, but it doesn't justify his perversion of Scripture.
Plus, he's pro-abortion, but too squishy to come out and admit it.
You've created a system, in other words, where the gnat is strained and the camel is swallowed -- where cruelty is accepted into the fold and impurity (but only -some- impurities) is cast out.
And I would argue that is an inverted function of Gospel.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
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Originally posted by Sam View PostYour implication was that Buttigieg doesn't have a legitimate voice concerning scriptural matters because of his homosexuality.
But you're not going to apply that same standard to anyone here who has shown themselves to be cruel or uncharitable or supportive of oppression against the poor or the stranger.
You've created a system, in other words, where the gnat is strained and the camel is swallowed -- where cruelty is accepted into the fold and impurity (but only -some- impurities) is cast out.
And I would argue that is an inverted function of Gospel.
--Sam
Jesus said,
The Gospel begins with repentance and salvation. WITHOUT repentance and salvation, you can give all the peanut butter sandwiches, warm blankets, milk, clothing..... without Jesus, they're still dying and going to hell. THAT, sir, is cruelty.
My ministry EVERY WEEK is about feeding the poor, helping them find jobs, teaching and encouraging --- but above all, it's about helping them find Jesus as Savior.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostSo it is cynical to quote the Bible when the weak, the hungry and the stranger are treated in inhuman ways?
Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
And before you respond keep in mind that I contribute to charities (I use money orders so I don't incessantly get hounded for more), have worked feeding the hungry (spent more than one Thanksgiving working with Hosea Williams Feed the Hungry) and helped set up for the local Muscular Dystrophy Association during the telethons as well as contributed money to my church to assist a wide variety of causes.
So tell us, what have you ever done except act like a cry bully?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sam View PostYou have lost the Gospel, and a basic understanding of cruelty, if you're misunderstanding Christ's nature so deeply. To the proud and haughty -- those who would use religion and power to grind down the meek and marginalized -- Christ was acerbic when needed.
But He was never cruel, nor was He dismissive of the poor, the helpless, or the stranger.
Folks have become far too accustomed to using Christ as a weapon -- as their weapon. He's not. People align with what He valued or they align against it ... and that values alignment rarely delineates cleanly between the "saved" and the "damned".
But, that's enough proselytizing. We know what the fruits of the Spirit are and we can see who exhibits them. We can compare public figures with how they stack up and look at just who Christians here support and attack, understanding their value system in the process.
The sheep and the goats will sort themselves.
--Sam
And please do tell, explain how Buttigeg qualifies as the "poor, the helpless, or the stranger." His six figure salary makes him one of the highest paid mayors in Indiana. While that doesn't make him "rich" he is anything but poor. As for helpless, as a mayor he wields a great deal of power. And "stranger"... I don't see it.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSeems like you are busy projecting when you talk about the proud and the haughty.
And please do tell, explain how Buttigeg qualifies as the "poor, the helpless, or the stranger." His six figure salary makes him one of the highest paid mayors in Indiana. While that doesn't make him "rich" he is anything but poor. As for helpless, as a mayor he wields a great deal of power. And "stranger"... I don't see it.
I see that as a command to the followers of Christ, and I try respond accordingly.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think he means Saint Pete's advocacy (such as it is) for taking care of "the poor, the helpless, or the stranger" with tax payer money, which, of course, is NOT a Gospel imperative.
I see that as a command to the followers of Christ, and I try respond accordingly.
- Luke 6:20-21 - Then he looked up at his discipleshe has anointed me to bring good news to the poor.
Where is the mandate that we institute (or require) a government to do these things?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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