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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    So let's go back to people in deep comas, where someone's brain activity can essentially flatline but some recover. At that point they don't have the neurological capacity to process sensations if there is virtually no brain activity so I guess you're fine with pulling the plug on them. OTOH, unborn babies just 7 weeks old are exhibiting brainwave patterns -- more so than those in the coma.

    And going back to "processing sensation" which implies that it is fine to terminate a life if they cannot feel it. I guess a quick instant kill while someone is asleep or been drugged would be fine. And heaven help those with congenital analgesia.
    This also manages to completely misstate the argument I've made -- in fact, it regurgitates objections I've already addressed a few times in this thread.

    As I'll keep pointing out, we've got a real problem here with people who want to jump in without bothering to do the work -- and then jump out when tasked with putting even a mediocre effort into their posts.

    Here, you make the same argument that Sparko has made before -- and the same mistake -- the ability to suffer is distinct from the capacity to suffer or to process sensation, the capacity to exhibit consciousness and not the exhibition of consciousness.

    And, yes, we routinely "pull the plug" on people in vegetative states with no apparent higher brain activity, even knowing that a small fraction of them may miraculously recover. We do not consider it murder. That's informative.

    --Sam
    "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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    • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      So let's go back to people in deep comas, where someone's brain activity can essentially flatline but some recover. At that point they don't have the neurological capacity to process sensations if there is virtually no brain activity so I guess you're fine with pulling the plug on them. OTOH, unborn babies just 7 weeks old are exhibiting brainwave patterns -- more so than those in the coma.

      And going back to "processing sensation" which implies that it is fine to terminate a life if they cannot feel it. I guess a quick instant kill while someone is asleep or been drugged would be fine. And heaven help those with congenital analgesia.
      Can you justify:"more so that in a coma"

      For me, there is nothing wrong with moving the time frame back if the data justifies it. The bottom line point is there is a time when there is nothing that even resembles a brain or consciousness. Certainly before there are any nerve cells of any kind is the minimum duration of that interval. But the evidence is that it's probably longer than that minimum. Regardless, during that time there is no legal justification for calling the abortion murder.
      My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

      If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

      This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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      • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
        Can you justify:"more so that in a coma"

        For me, there is nothing wrong with moving the time frame back if the data justifies it.
        What data? There is no difference from a biological definition of a human organism between a 4 week old fetus and a 20 week old one. The only differences are functional specialization of cells.

        The bottom line point is there is a time when there is nothing that even resembles a brain or consciousness.
        So what? Those are functional developments. Before those functions develop, the organism is still distinct and human

        Certainly before there are any nerve cells of any kind is the minimum duration of that interval. But the evidence is that it's probably longer than that minimum. Regardless, during that time there is no legal justification for calling the abortion murder.
        Yes there is. You've done nothing except elevate one particular biological function above all others based on nothing but your own authority.
        That's what
        - She

        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
        - Stephen R. Donaldson

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