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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    It is questionable Christian doctrine that take away individual charity and puts aid in the hands of an impersonal government. Once it goes to the government coffers, there is only cold policy that operates. Money goes to people who shouldn't get it. People are trapped into welfare life. People who should be helped are not. Government is a godless system and socialism tends to promote atheism. Christians who advocate socialism are sawing off the branch they are standing on. It seems that people are caught up in this naivete -- it seems good. it seems right. There is a way that seems right to a man but in the end is death.
    Wow, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    All the things you list are good and a Christian should consider them. I think it's a difference in motivation.

    Viewing this as solving real life problems is incomplete. Yes, we should work at it but we'll never solve them all. After all when Jesus was at the pool of Bethesda, He only one of the many that were there. (John 5:1-9). We are also called (I would say primarily called) to proclaim the Gospel and aid one another with their relationship with Christ.

    Too many leaders like their names in the news. It's a common hazard of leadership to want to be recognized for leading. It's certainly easier to get your name in for doing good works instead of proclaiming God. Over time, they want to serve the good works and slowly God drifts out of their lives.

    I go to church to hear about God and His expectations on me. Too often, I hear about man.
    Of course it is incomplete, it is hardly a theological treatise. The soul is an integral part of man. But so is the body. And man was not created to be alone, he was made to be a part of a society of men, whether family, body of Christ, or secular and mmundane society.

    Can we work toward a just society without any government intervention? I wonder if that approach is utopian and humanist (if it can be achieved), or is a dystopian Hobbesian world (if it is not achieved).

    The two extremes are the social gospel types which truncate the faith and leave out the individual; the other extreme is the "me and Jesus" cheap grace gospel. Both extremes truncate the faith.

    There are seven days in the week, and the Body of Christ is a society of men, a society which finds itself residing in a wider society. And each individual nears the imago dei.
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    Sorry, I'm a little biased in my posting these days. In my part of the world, it's real easy to find a church teaching about ministring to your fellow human. It's real hard to find a church that will preach on God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    Sorry, I'm a little biased in my posting these days. In my part of the world, it's real easy to find a church teaching about ministring to your fellow human. It's real hard to find a church that will preach on God.
    We do both - for what good is it for a man to have a ham sandwich but perish in Hell? (OK, I paraphrased)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    We do both - for what good is it for a man to have a ham sandwich but perish in Hell? (OK, I paraphrased)
    I'm glad. Unfortunately for me, flying down there and back every Sunday for church service doesn't seem practical. If you ever want to go to a mission field in the US, I'll be glad to be the local native to help you out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    I'm glad. Unfortunately for me, flying down there and back every Sunday for church service doesn't seem practical. If you ever want to go to a mission field in the US, I'll be glad to be the local native to help you out.
    I actually have some friends doing mission work in NYC. Been upstate NY a couple times, and, wow.... that's some pretty country up there.

    Let's see, we drove from New Hampshire to Vermont, took the ferry across Lake Champlain to NY, and hunted up sections of the Erie Canal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    What's to follow? They are broken down. They ain't going anywhere.
    Exactly. Although they might seem to be moving when you've had too much rum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    Sorry, I'm a little biased in my posting these days. In my part of the world, it's real easy to find a church teaching about ministring to your fellow human. It's real hard to find a church that will preach on God.
    I think this needs expanding on, just what does it mean to "preach on God"?

    Martin Luther King drew on, and was motivated by, the Christian faith, as was Jonathan Edwards, and Wilberforce of an earlier time. Reinhold Niebuhr and Billy Graham had very different approaches.

    And two influential Christians today are John MacArthur and Beth Moore, both have enough influence to be called elites. But is one not necessarily Christian, since they do represent polarizing segments of the Body of Christ.

    Each person thought they were preaching the gospel, preaching on G-d. Does any one preacher adequately "preach on G-d"?

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