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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    You may have forgotten what you actually wrote: "Amos here prophesies that hearing the words of the Lord will cease, there will be a famine of the word of the Lord. And this was true for 400 years, especially if, as protestants do, you exclude the Apocrypha from the canon.
    But Sirach is considered part of the Apocrypha, is it not?

    That has nothing to do with your mistake in citing the New Testament as a response to there not having been any prophets in the last 1900 years.
    But the Lord speaks through his word, and through his people, when they gather for worship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    You may have forgotten what you actually wrote: "Amos here prophesies that hearing the words of the Lord will cease, there will be a famine of the word of the Lord. And this was true for 400 years, especially if, as protestants do, you exclude the Apocrypha from the canon."
    But Sirach is considered part of the Apocrypha, is it not?
    Yes, it is part of the Apocrypha. Your claim is still false. Either you've been using words you don't understand, or you're deliberately feigning ignorance.
    That has nothing to do with your mistake in citing the New Testament as a response to there not having been any prophets in the last 1900 years.
    But the Lord speaks through his word, and through his people, when they gather for worship.
    If that is so, and thus there has not been a famine of prophecy in the last 1900 years, then there wasn't a famine of prophesy after Malachi was written since people gathered for worship then too.

    In your efforts to avoid admitting error, you have just refuted your original claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    But Jeremiah continued to prophesy, and a number of the minor prophets came afterwards. I think the silence starts after Malachi.

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    The others were in Judah, not Israel. The scripture you cited was directed toward Israel.

    There was also arguably a 'famine of the word of the Lord' in Judah between Jeremiah and Nehemiah, which would also make more sense contextually than your idea. There is no warrant to take "word" as written in a culture that was primarily oral.
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    I'm sorry, I'm a little confused. Why is there an apparent need to fit this into a 400 year-frame? Amos doesn't prophecy say anything about 400 years in the passage that was quoted, and a search for "four hundred years" in the Bible only turns up how long they were in Egypt.

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    There isn't, Lee is just making up numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    The others were in Judah, not Israel. The scripture you cited was directed toward Israel.
    Well, I think that if the famine was only in Israel, they wouldn't have to wander from sea to sea to find the word of the Lord.

    There was also arguably a 'famine of the word of the Lord' in Judah between Jeremiah and Nehemiah, which would also make more sense contextually than your idea. There is no warrant to take "word" as written in a culture that was primarily oral.
    And 70 years would indeed be a famine, though I would say the 400 years of silence would be more pronounced. But God doesn't mind fulfilling his prophecies more than once!

    And I agree that the word of the Lord might be spoken, just as we expect a fresh word from the Lord at church on Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Yes, it is part of the Apocrypha. Your claim is still false. Either you've been using words you don't understand, or you're deliberately feigning ignorance.
    I don't understand the point you're trying to make here...

    If that is so, and thus there has not been a famine of prophecy in the last 1900 years, then there wasn't a famine of prophesy after Malachi was written since people gathered for worship then too.
    Not so, the Christian era brought a fresh infusion of prophecy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terraceth View Post
    I'm sorry, I'm a little confused. Why is there an apparent need to fit this into a 400 year-frame? Amos doesn't prophecy say anything about 400 years in the passage that was quoted, and a search for "four hundred years" in the Bible only turns up how long they were in Egypt.
    No need to fit the prophecy into a 400-year timeframe, it just turns out that there was a period of about 400 years of silence that I'm taking to be the fulfilment of this prophecy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    Yes, it is part of the Apocrypha. Your claim is still false. Either you've been using words you don't understand, or you're deliberately feigning ignorance.
    I don't understand the point you're trying to make here...
    You seemed to understand it well enough to respond earlier, so either you're feigning ignorance now, or you were feigning understanding then.
    Not so, the Christian era brought a fresh infusion of prophecy.
    You made that up. You couldn't possibly know whether or not it is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    You seemed to understand it well enough to respond earlier, so either you're feigning ignorance now, or you were feigning understanding then.
    My claim is that there is a period of about 400 years of silence, if you don't count the apocrypha.

    You made that up. You couldn't possibly know whether or not it is true.
    Well, see the scriptures I mentioned, Paul's instructions on prophecy indicate that there was a new era of prophecy starting, in the Christian church.

    Blessings,
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    "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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