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Fulfilled prophecy - A famine of the word of the Lord

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  • #31
    Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
    My claim is that there is a period of about 400 years of silence, if you don't count the apocrypha.
    Your claim was that there was a period of about 400 years of silence, especially if you don't count the apocrypha. You've now changed your claim without ever admitting that the original claim was wrong.
    You made that up. You couldn't possibly know whether or not it is true.
    Well, see the scriptures I mentioned, Paul's instructions on prophecy indicate that there was a new era of prophecy starting, in the Christian church.
    No they don't. You made that up too.
    Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

    MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
    MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

    seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Roy View Post
      Your claim was that there was a period of about 400 years of silence, especially if you don't count the apocrypha. You've now changed your claim without ever admitting that the original claim was wrong.
      I think it's pretty clear what I meant! But I will agree that my claim should have been more carefully worded.

      No they don't. You made that up too.
      But a flat denial is not an argument...

      Blessings,
      Lee
      "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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      • #33
        Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
        I think it's pretty clear what I meant! But I will agree that my claim should have been more carefully worded.
        No it was not clear.

        But a flat denial is not an argument...

        Blessings,
        Lee
        The flat denial is based on historical facts.
        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

        go with the flow the river knows . . .

        Frank

        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
          But a flat denial is not an argument...
          Nor was your flat (and false) assertion.
          Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

          MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
          MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

          seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Roy View Post
            Nor was your flat (and false) assertion.
            I asserted that there was a period of about 400 years of silence (if you don't include the apocrypha), and gave a link as evidence.

            Blessings,
            Lee
            "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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            • #36
              Conversational context restored and emphasis added:
              Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
              Well, see the scriptures I mentioned, Paul's instructions on prophecy indicate that there was a new era of prophecy starting, in the Christian church.
              No they don't. You made that up too.
              But a flat denial is not an argument...
              Nor was your flat (and false) assertion.
              I asserted that there was a period of about 400 years of silence (if you don't include the apocrypha), and gave a link as evidence.
              You aren't capable of following a conversation, you can't remember what you wrote, and you can't be bothered to check.
              Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

              MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
              MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

              seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Roy View Post
                Conversational context restored and emphasis added:You aren't capable of following a conversation, you can't remember what you wrote, and you can't be bothered to check.
                That wasn't a flat assertion either, Paul's instructions do indicate that a new era of prophecy was underway.

                Blessings,
                Lee
                "What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
                  That wasn't a flat assertion either, Paul's instructions do indicate that a new era of prophecy was underway.
                  You aren't capable of following a conversation, you can't remember or understand what you wrote, and you can't be bothered to check.

                  Or maybe you just don't know what an assertion is.
                  Last edited by Roy; 03-24-2020, 12:11 PM.
                  Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                  MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                  MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                  seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
                    “The days are coming,” declares the Sovereign LORD,
                    “when I will send a famine through the land—
                    not a famine of food or a thirst for water,
                    but a famine of hearing the words of the LORD.
                    People will stagger from sea to sea
                    and wander from north to east,
                    searching for the word of the LORD,
                    but they will not find it. (Amos 8:11–12)

                    Amos here prophesies that hearing the words of the Lord will cease, there will be a famine of the word of the Lord. And this was true for 400 years, especially if, as protestants do, you exclude the Apocrypha from the canon.

                    Blessings,
                    Lee
                    There is no indication of time in the passage. I’ve always *assumed* that, as Amos was prophesying in the Northern Kingdom, Israel, those words apply to life in the Northern Kingdom. I think it amounts to saying that (1) there will be an absence of prophets sent by JHWH; (2) there will be a lack of priests giving instruction from JHWH. IOW, Israel has chosen not to hear JHWH - so it will be punished by not being able to do so, even when it wishes to.

                    I think the entire chapter explains those verses:

                    8 This is what the Sovereign Lord showed me: a basket of ripe fruit.2 “What do you see, Amos?” he asked.“A basket of ripe fruit,” I answered.
                    Then the Lord said to me, “The time is ripe for my people Israel; I will spare them no longer.
                    3 “In that day,” declares the Sovereign Lord, “the songs in the temple will turn to wailing.[a] Many, many bodies—flung everywhere! Silence!”
                    4 Hear this, you who trample the needy
                    and do away with the poor of the land,


                    5 saying,
                    “When will the New Moon be over
                    that we may sell grain,
                    and the Sabbath be ended
                    that we may market wheat?”—
                    skimping on the measure,
                    boosting the price
                    and cheating with dishonest scales,
                    6 buying the poor with silver
                    and the needy for a pair of sandals,
                    selling even the sweepings with the wheat.


                    7 The Lord has sworn by himself, the Pride of Jacob: “I will never forget anything they have done.
                    8 “Will not the land tremble for this,
                    and all who live in it mourn?
                    The whole land will rise like the Nile;
                    it will be stirred up and then sink
                    like the river of Egypt.


                    9 “In that day,” declares the Sovereign Lord,
                    “I will make the sun go down at noon
                    and darken the earth in broad daylight.
                    10 I will turn your religious festivals into mourning
                    and all your singing into weeping.
                    I will make all of you wear sackcloth
                    and shave your heads.
                    I will make that time like mourning for an only son
                    and the end of it like a bitter day.


                    11 “The days are coming,” declares the Sovereign Lord,
                    “when I will send a famine through the land—
                    not a famine of food or a thirst for water,
                    but a famine of hearing the words of the Lord.
                    12 People will stagger from sea to sea
                    and wander from north to east,
                    searching for the word of the Lord,
                    but they will not find it.


                    13 “In that day
                    “the lovely young women and strong young men
                    will faint because of thirst.
                    14 Those who swear by the sin of Samaria—
                    who say, ‘As surely as your god lives, Dan,’
                    or, ‘As surely as the god[b] of Beersheba lives’—
                    they will fall, never to rise again.””

                    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Amos+8

                    STM the whole chapter makes excellent sense as a statement about 8th-century Israel before, and at, its destruction by the Assyrians.

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