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    It would also depend on the reliability of the eye witness. If the eye witness kept changing his story and "remembering" things that contradict his earlier testimony, then I would toss out his testimony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    It would also depend on the reliability of the eye witness. If the eye witness kept changing his story and "remembering" things that contradict his earlier testimony, then I would toss out his testimony.
    You have yet to grapple with the fact that Sondland's incriminating testimony is backed by other witnesses, including Taylor and Morrison, and that contemporaneous documentary evidence exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    You have yet to grapple with the fact that Sondland's incriminating testimony is backed by other witnesses, including Taylor and Morrison, and that contemporaneous documentary evidence exists.

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    And his story changes from one favorable to himself to one which paints him in a negative light. Now he's shown to be both disloyal to the US and a liar on the world stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    It would also depend on the reliability of the eye witness. If the eye witness kept changing his story and "remembering" things that contradict his earlier testimony, then I would toss out his testimony.
    Not when Sondlandís revised story corroborated the testimonies of the other witnesses. And given that initially he seemed to be attempting loyalty to Trumpís bogus denials of a quid quo pro - until it was no longer credible to continue doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    It could be admissible for other reasons but not as proof that there was no quid pro quo. Itís like trying to prove trump had the biggest inauguration crowd by having a witness testify that trump had told him he had the biggest inauguration crowd. Itís hearsay.
    Granted - confirms or refutes the statement having been made, not its veracity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    If thereís overwhelming circumstantial evidence pointing one way but itís contradicted by the direct evidence of an eye witness then which one is more reliable?
    Child dies on third admission to ER for ethylene glycol (anti-freeze) poisoning. Mother is subsequently convicted on the circumstantial evidence (non-diagnostic test being the only one done - and no, that wasn't medical error). The only testimony contradicting the circumstantial was the husband's.

    Nearly three years later (if memory serves) conviction overturned at prosecution's request and prosecution made a public apology. The overwhelming circumstantial evidence had been overwhelmingly wrong - even the cause of death was wrong. The child had died of natural causes and only because a younger sibling was stricken with the same rare disorder and Unsolved Mysteries aired the case did the truth come out.

    We have trials so each case is heard on its own merits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    The same can be said concerning mistaken eyewitness testimony. Can't remember which jurist said it and to paraphrase "I'd trust the evidence of one bloody fingerprint over a dozen eyewitnesses."
    Granted - but that's why we have trials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Also considering how many eyewitness convictions have been overturned by DNA.
    And circumstantial cases as well...

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