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  • World War Three?

    This is not going to end well....

    Iran’s Gen. Soleimani killed in airstrike at Baghdad airport

    FILE - In this Thursday, Feb. 11, 2016, file photo, Qassem Soleimani, commander of Iran's Quds Force, attends an annual rally commemorating the anniversary of the 1979 Islamic revolution, in Tehran, Iran. Iraqi TV and three Iraqi officials said Friday, Jan. 3, 2020, that Gen. Qassem Soleimani, the head of Iran’s elite Quds Force, has been killed in an airstrike at Baghdad’s international airport.

    Baghdad (AP) — Gen. Qassim Soleimani, the head of Iran’s elite Quds Force, was killed in an airstrike at Baghdad’s international airport Friday, Iraqi television and three Iraqi officials said.

    The strike also killed Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis, the deputy commander of Iran-backed militias known as the Popular Mobilization Forces, or PMF, the officials said
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    Their deaths are a potential turning point in the Middle East and are expected to draw severe retaliation from Iran and the forces it backs in the Middle East against Israel and American interests.

    The PMF blamed the United States for an attack at Baghdad International Airport Friday.

    https://apnews.com/5597ff0f046a67805cc233d5933a53ed
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

  • #2
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    This is not going to end well....
    It's something that would take an untold measure of consideration and post-action diplomatic planning to get through without further escalation. Very unlikely that's happened. I have serious doubts there's much coherent post-action strategy at all, diplomatic or otherwise.

    Two evil men killed but the death toll is likely to get much worse.

    --Sam
    "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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    • #3
      Not World War III, but it's going to bring on more terrorist strikes. That's what Iran does anyway, proxy attacks through terrorists.

      I don't see the point of this targeted strike by US troops. What is it supposed to achieve?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ronson View Post
        Not World War III, but it's going to bring on more terrorist strikes. That's what Iran does anyway, proxy attacks through terrorists.

        I don't see the point of this targeted strike by US troops. What is it supposed to achieve?
        Well we killed one of the most prolific state terrorist in the Middle East, and from what I'm hearing he may have been in Baghdad to coordinate an attack on our embassy, before moving on to raise more hell in Syria.
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sam View Post
          It's something that would take an untold measure of consideration and post-action diplomatic planning to get through without further escalation. ...

          --Sam
          You are deluded if you think any degree of 'post-action diplomatic planning' would have done anything to prevent further escalation...
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #6
            Originally posted by seer View Post
            Well we killed one of the most prolific state terrorist in the Middle East, and from what I'm hearing he may have been in Baghdad to coordinate an attack on our embassy, before moving on to raise more hell in Syria.
            I see more entanglement. Tit for tat, and we're mired in that dunghole for another 10-20 years.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seer View Post
              You are deluded if you think any degree of 'post-action diplomatic planning' would have done anything to prevent further escalation...
              Not altogether, certainly. Mitigate would be a better word.

              But doing it this way, with this kind of follow-up from official sources, is most certainly going to exacerbate the situation, not de-escalate.

              --Sam
              "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ronson View Post
                I see more entanglement. Tit for tat, and we're mired in that dunghole for another 10-20 years.
                I'm not sure, it depends on how Iran reacts, and if their allies Russia and China get involved. Remember what the killing of a little known Archduke inaugurated...
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  I'm not sure, it depends on how Iran reacts, and if their allies Russia and China get involved. Remember what the killing of a little known Archduke inaugurated...
                  Interesting. Did you notice the timing of the US tipping off Russia about terrorists in St Petersburg? Perhaps that was hoped to temper their criticism about this? China probably won't yap about it too much because it's not their game. Iran/Iraq is too far away from their foremost concerns.

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                  • #10
                    This is an act of war.

                    But the US constitution says Congress, not the President, has the power to determine who the US is or isn't at war with. So this is an unconstitutional act, outside the bounds of Trump's authority.

                    Worth adding this to the list of impeachment charges?

                    Do the Trumptards here still support Trump even if he leads the US unconstitutionally into war with Iran?
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                    • #11
                      And because it's truisms at this point that there's a Trump tweet for everything, and that everything the right-wing says is projection:

                      “In order to get elected, @BarackObama will start a war with Iran.” - Donald Trump, tweeted on Oct. 30, 2011

                      "I always said @BarackObama will attack Iran, in some form, prior to the election." - Donald Trump, tweeted on Aug. 17, 2012

                      “Now that Obama’s numbers are in a tailspin watch for him to launch a strike in Libya or Iran. He is desperate." - Donald Trump, tweeted on Oct. 6, 2012

                      “Don’t let Obama play the Iran card in order to start a war in order to get elected – be careful Republicans!” - Donald Trump, tweeted on Oct. 22, 2012

                      “Remember that I predicted a long time ago that President Obama will attack Iran because of his inability to negotiate properly – not skilled!” - Donald Trump, tweeted on Nov. 12, 2012
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        Well we killed one of the most prolific state terrorist in the Middle East, and from what I'm hearing he may have been in Baghdad to coordinate an attack on our embassy, before moving on to raise more hell in Syria.
                        All this hysteria (not saying you're being hysterical) is silly - we've been at war with Iran for several decades. Yes, this is a major escalation, and cause for concern, but the sky is not yet falling.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          All this hysteria (not saying you're being hysterical) is silly - we've been at war with Iran for several decades. Yes, this is a major escalation, and cause for concern, but the sky is not yet falling.
                          I think finishing the first season of Messiah on Netflix colored my view last night. Yet, if Iran does retaliate as forcefully as they now say they will this can spin out of control rapidly.
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            This is an act of war.

                            But the US constitution says Congress, not the President, has the power to determine who the US is or isn't at war with. So this is an unconstitutional act, outside the bounds of Trump's authority.

                            Worth adding this to the list of impeachment charges?

                            Do the Trumptards here still support Trump even if he leads the US unconstitutionally into war with Iran?
                            Is an attack on an Embassy, an act of war?

                            Is launching attacks against US troops, an act of war?

                            Is attacking US assets, an act of war?

                            Do you support Obama after he unconstitutionally attacked Libya and continued our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?

                            Let’s do a reality check Starlight:

                            Iran has been engaging in acts of war against the US and US allies, for 20+ years.

                            Barack ‘drone strike’ Obama was quite busy blowing people up, long before 2016 and took many military actions that I don’t recall you calling for impeachment or removal for.

                            Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 01-03-2020, 08:04 AM.
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                            GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              I think finishing the first season of Messiah on Netflix colored my view last night. Yet, if Iran does retaliate as forcefully as they now say they will this can spin out of control rapidly.
                              You just reminded me of a scene from Hunt for Red October, where....

                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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