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  • #46
    Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
    TWeb has always been a site where the Christian posters push back hard against posters who post (what they see as) poor arguments or data-free nonsense. In the past that was more often a Christian vs new atheist dynamic. And it wasn't like the atheists were all polite and respectful, there was plenty of insult ans mockery to be found.


    Nowadays it's more of a political divide, and posters on opposite sides attack each other. Posters from both sides engage in all the behaviour you deplore. If it's not direct attacks, it's the implication that you're an immoral bigoted moron if you don't agree with the latest accusation leveled at Trump / current defense of whatever thing Trump has said or done.

    Suggestions to change the atmosphere:

    (1) Put your own house in order, including apologising for your past faults in this area.

    (2) Call out bad posting behaviour whoever does it. Police your own side of the debate, not just the other side.

    (3) Set a positive example by refusing to indulge. Always assume other posters are acting in good faith, are intellectually honest, and are capable of accepting the truth. Post with that in mind.

    (4) Be willing to modify your positions if the data / arguments don't support them

    (5) Exercise charity in interpreting Trump's actions. Present other possibilities than just 'Trump is eeevilll' in your posts. All sides of an argument. If you only 'call out' what is 100% unambiguously wrong, you will get people agreeing with you.


    I'd be willing to join you in the above.
    An interesting view of the dynamic. What was once seen as a religious divide has morphed into a political divide! Though, for the most part, there is a pretty small presence of non Christians or atheists here.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by simplicio View Post
      An interesting view of the dynamic. What was once seen as a religious divide has morphed into a political divide!
      I think it pretty much mirrors our nation.

      Though, for the most part, there is a pretty small presence of non Christians or atheists here.
      Tweb is a pretty small audience, and I'd think that there are more non-Christians and atheists (relative to the number of Christians) here than you'd think.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        I think it pretty much mirrors our nation.
        What a sad commentary on the state of the Christian faith in this country.

        Tweb is a pretty small audience, and I'd think that there are more non-Christians and atheists (relative to the number of Christians) here than you'd think.
        I would guess that the number of posts is about 90% Christian.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by simplicio View Post
          What a sad commentary on the state of the Christian faith in this country.
          That's a bit of a leap, and doesn't really address the issues.

          I would guess that the number of posts is about 90% Christian.
          Posts, maybe. Posters, I don't think so. It would be an interesting study.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Good think you added that tag -- even YOU know he's a hack.
            He's not a hack, and I do enjoy the dry humor he uses.


            Dishing out some more of your sanctimonious fruit of the spirit?
            Peanuts are technically legumes. So, no, no fruit there.
            My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

            If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

            This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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            • #51
              Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
              TWeb has always been a site where the Christian posters push back hard against posters who post (what they see as) poor arguments or data-free nonsense. In the past that was more often a Christian vs new atheist dynamic. And it wasn't like the atheists were all polite and respectful, there was plenty of insult ans mockery to be found.


              Nowadays it's more of a political divide, and posters on opposite sides attack each other. Posters from both sides engage in all the behaviour you deplore. If it's not direct attacks, it's the implication that you're an immoral bigoted moron if you don't agree with the latest accusation leveled at Trump / current defense of whatever thing Trump has said or done.

              Suggestions to change the atmosphere:

              (1) Put your own house in order, including apologising for your past faults in this area.

              (2) Call out bad posting behaviour whoever does it. Police your own side of the debate, not just the other side.

              (3) Set a positive example by refusing to indulge. Always assume other posters are acting in good faith, are intellectually honest, and are capable of accepting the truth. Post with that in mind.

              (4) Be willing to modify your positions if the data / arguments don't support them

              (5) Exercise charity in interpreting Trump's actions. Present other possibilities than just 'Trump is eeevilll' in your posts. All sides of an argument. If you only 'call out' what is 100% unambiguously wrong, you will get people agreeing with you.


              I'd be willing to join you in the above.
              Sounds like a good list max. I'll continue to try to follow it.

              I'm not sure how to prove I'm following #5 though since I dont find a lot of room for charity there. But I'll try.
              Last edited by oxmixmudd; 02-08-2020, 09:42 AM.
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #52
                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                ....So, no, no fruit there.
                On THAT, we agree.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                  Okay. So anything is acceptable as long as profanity, or references to profanity, is absent?

                  Is "attacking Christians" acceptable?

                  You do it every day.

                  And we haven't banned you yet.


                  Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                    Is "attacking Christians" acceptable?
                    That's a loaded question.

                    If you're attacking a fellow Christian for their orthodox Christian beliefs, no, not acceptable.

                    If you're attacking a position they hold because it's not biblical, or because they're a false teacher, or for other reasons, that's different.

                    "Christian" has such a smooshy wishywashy definition these days. Anybody can claim to be "a Christian", but be advancing clearly non-Christian beliefs.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      That's a loaded question.

                      If you're attacking a fellow Christian for their orthodox Christian beliefs, no, not acceptable.

                      If you're attacking a position they hold because it's not biblical, or because they're a false teacher, or for other reasons, that's different.

                      "Christian" has such a smooshy wishywashy definition these days. Anybody can claim to be "a Christian", but be advancing clearly non-Christian beliefs.
                      The smooshy wishywashy definitions seem to prevail among Christian here, based on the things which prompt the questions and the veiled accusations of not being a Christian.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                        The smooshy wishywashy definitions seem to prevail among Christian here, based on the things which prompt the questions and the veiled accusations of not being a Christian.
                        I'd disagree --- it's pretty much a universal thing -- I'm reluctant to declare somebody is NOT a Christian, but I often see people claim to be "Christians" who Paul would have a real hard accepting into fellowship.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                          Thought I would bump this up.

                          What are the expections for civil discourse on this Christian site?
                          Just by the way, while it's Christian-run, this is not a Christian site, and has received support over the years from folks of all faiths or none. Unlike a lot of Christian boards, this site let us heathens post.

                          Standards change over time and with new ownership but this site was founded under free speech principles. All of the original owners and a lot of the rest of us came here after being banned from "The Other Location," a Christian site where the vitriol was allowed to flow freely, albeit only in one direction. Their patron saint and the owner's pastor was Bob Enyart.

                          Try googling "nicer than God."

                          The "Other" owner had a penchant for winning with the ban button. Two of the original owners here were "preterists," one sufficiently skilled at debate that she wasn't merely banned, but deleted. I personally was banned "for being a jerk" after replying to a churlish insult with a laconic but cutting riposte.

                          That's what we left, and what this board was designed to prevent. So yeah, it's lightly moderated.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                            He's not a hack, and I do enjoy the dry humor he uses.
                            So we're not saying anything about the cookies. Gotcha. Mums the word.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              I'd disagree --- it's pretty much a universal thing -- I'm reluctant to declare somebody is NOT a Christian, but I often see people claim to be "Christians" who Paul would have a real hard accepting into fellowship.
                              Paul was both the first and the most successful church splitter, a braggart, a liar, and an opportunist repeatedly hoist by his own petard. The manky Scot, prior to his apostasy, once mentioned that a lot of folks credit Paul with his own religion, Paulianity.
                              I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel — which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

                              Clearly, folks were claiming new revelations from angels that ran contrary to the new revelations from angels bestowed on their founder. Color me less than astonished.

                              Irony is a dish best served by the unwitting.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                                Paul was both the first and the most successful church splitter, a braggart, a liar, and an opportunist repeatedly hoist by his own petard. The manky Scot, prior to his apostasy, once mentioned that a lot of folks credit Paul with his own religion, Paulianity.
                                I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel — which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

                                Clearly, folks were claiming new revelations from angels that ran contrary to the new revelations from angels bestowed on their founder. Color me less than astonished.

                                Irony is a dish best served by the unwitting.
                                If I understand you right, Paul was not supposed to protect the followers of Christ from wolves seeking to destroy the Christian movment.

                                Your comment on Galatians is based on a misunderstanding of what was happening. This is forgivable at this point in time since most people have not understood the context correctly.

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