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Originally posted by simplicio View PostAn interesting view of the dynamic. What was once seen as a religious divide has morphed into a political divide!
Though, for the most part, there is a pretty small presence of non Christians or atheists here.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think it pretty much mirrors our nation.
Tweb is a pretty small audience, and I'd think that there are more non-Christians and atheists (relative to the number of Christians) here than you'd think.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostWhat a sad commentary on the state of the Christian faith in this country.
I would guess that the number of posts is about 90% Christian.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostGood think you added that tag -- even YOU know he's a hack.
Dishing out some more of your sanctimonious fruit of the spirit?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostTWeb has always been a site where the Christian posters push back hard against posters who post (what they see as) poor arguments or data-free nonsense. In the past that was more often a Christian vs new atheist dynamic. And it wasn't like the atheists were all polite and respectful, there was plenty of insult ans mockery to be found.
Nowadays it's more of a political divide, and posters on opposite sides attack each other. Posters from both sides engage in all the behaviour you deplore. If it's not direct attacks, it's the implication that you're an immoral bigoted moron if you don't agree with the latest accusation leveled at Trump / current defense of whatever thing Trump has said or done.
Suggestions to change the atmosphere:
(1) Put your own house in order, including apologising for your past faults in this area.
(2) Call out bad posting behaviour whoever does it. Police your own side of the debate, not just the other side.
(3) Set a positive example by refusing to indulge. Always assume other posters are acting in good faith, are intellectually honest, and are capable of accepting the truth. Post with that in mind.
(4) Be willing to modify your positions if the data / arguments don't support them
(5) Exercise charity in interpreting Trump's actions. Present other possibilities than just 'Trump is eeevilll' in your posts. All sides of an argument. If you only 'call out' what is 100% unambiguously wrong, you will get people agreeing with you.
I'd be willing to join you in the above.
I'm not sure how to prove I'm following #5 though since I dont find a lot of room for charity there. But I'll try.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 02-08-2020, 09:42 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post....So, no, no fruit there.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostOkay. So anything is acceptable as long as profanity, or references to profanity, is absent?
Is "attacking Christians" acceptable?
You do it every day.
And we haven't banned you yet.
Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostIs "attacking Christians" acceptable?
If you're attacking a fellow Christian for their orthodox Christian beliefs, no, not acceptable.
If you're attacking a position they hold because it's not biblical, or because they're a false teacher, or for other reasons, that's different.
"Christian" has such a smooshy wishywashy definition these days. Anybody can claim to be "a Christian", but be advancing clearly non-Christian beliefs.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat's a loaded question.
If you're attacking a fellow Christian for their orthodox Christian beliefs, no, not acceptable.
If you're attacking a position they hold because it's not biblical, or because they're a false teacher, or for other reasons, that's different.
"Christian" has such a smooshy wishywashy definition these days. Anybody can claim to be "a Christian", but be advancing clearly non-Christian beliefs.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostThe smooshy wishywashy definitions seem to prevail among Christian here, based on the things which prompt the questions and the veiled accusations of not being a Christian.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by simplicio View PostThought I would bump this up.
What are the expections for civil discourse on this Christian site?
Standards change over time and with new ownership but this site was founded under free speech principles. All of the original owners and a lot of the rest of us came here after being banned from "The Other Location," a Christian site where the vitriol was allowed to flow freely, albeit only in one direction. Their patron saint and the owner's pastor was Bob Enyart.
Try googling "nicer than God."
The "Other" owner had a penchant for winning with the ban button. Two of the original owners here were "preterists," one sufficiently skilled at debate that she wasn't merely banned, but deleted. I personally was banned "for being a jerk" after replying to a churlish insult with a laconic but cutting riposte.
That's what we left, and what this board was designed to prevent. So yeah, it's lightly moderated.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'd disagree --- it's pretty much a universal thing -- I'm reluctant to declare somebody is NOT a Christian, but I often see people claim to be "Christians" who Paul would have a real hard accepting into fellowship.
Clearly, folks were claiming new revelations from angels that ran contrary to the new revelations from angels bestowed on their founder. Color me less than astonished.
Irony is a dish best served by the unwitting.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View PostPaul was both the first and the most successful church splitter, a braggart, a liar, and an opportunist repeatedly hoist by his own petard. The manky Scot, prior to his apostasy, once mentioned that a lot of folks credit Paul with his own religion, Paulianity.
Clearly, folks were claiming new revelations from angels that ran contrary to the new revelations from angels bestowed on their founder. Color me less than astonished.
Irony is a dish best served by the unwitting.
Your comment on Galatians is based on a misunderstanding of what was happening. This is forgivable at this point in time since most people have not understood the context correctly.
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