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  • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Oh noes! Troll reduced to talking to himself in desperate attempt to get bites! Oh, the huge manatee!
    It seems that there are certain posts types which guarantee that the 'good' Christians are forced into silence.

    It seems that those who toss out the word and accusation of troll are purposefully vague on just what trolling is and what constitutes trolling. Calling posters names is NOT called trolling and treated as acceptable.

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    • Originally posted by simplicio View Post
      Seems few actually addressed the post, it was the thread killer for over a month, until the thread, not the post, was resurrected in it full glory.
      I could point out this thread was never meant to be a discussion about board decorum. Or I could point out that I responded to the post and didn't receive an answer. Or I could point out that you can see how staff members behave for yourself without the need to ask anyone else to spell it out for you.

      But I think that's all beside the point.

      The only thing you really need to take on board is the obvious that's true anywhere, anytime. Folks won't thank you for calling out their bad behavior. But if you do it with a bit of wit and style, without caring over much about how they respond, you'll fit in just fine.

      Love the screen name by the way.

      Nice touch.

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      • Originally posted by simplicio View Post
        It seems that there are certain posts types which guarantee that the 'good' Christians are forced into silence.

        It seems that those who toss out the word and accusation of troll are purposefully vague on just what trolling is and what constitutes trolling. Calling posters names is NOT called trolling and treated as acceptable.
        ...but ham-fisted passive-aggressiveness is hunky-dory, amirite?
        Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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        • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
          Most scholars consider his reported admonition of Peter a face-saving fabulism. He brags about his lack of interaction with Jesus' principal disciples, yet later attempts to buy his way into the Jerusalem adherents' good graces ... and was spectacularly less than successful.
          What are the common (if any) scholarly views on exactly what the differences between Paul's views/teachings and those at Jerusalem were?

          Was it simply that they wanted gentile Christians to be circumcised and Paul thought it unnecessary? Were they wanting gentile Christians to follow a variety of Jewish customs in addition to that? Or something else entirely? Is the "Jesus preached the Kingdom, Paul preached Jesus" view still common?
          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            What are the common (if any) scholarly views on exactly what the differences between Paul's views/teachings and those at Jerusalem were?

            Was it simply that they wanted gentile Christians to be circumcised and Paul thought it unnecessary? Were they wanting gentile Christians to follow a variety of Jewish customs in addition to that? Or something else entirely? Is the "Jesus preached the Kingdom, Paul preached Jesus" view still common?
            Christianity began as a Jewish sect. It wasn't open to gentiles unless they converted. That was the norm. Paul's approach, welcoming non-Jews into Christianity, was a novelty that originated with Paul. It received enough pushback from the founders in Jerusalem that Paul felt the need to secure his position against the Judaizers in his letters.

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            • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
              It wasn't open to gentiles unless they converted.
              What did that entail?
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                Christianity began as a Jewish sect. It wasn't open to gentiles unless they converted. That was the norm. Paul's approach, welcoming non-Jews into Christianity, was a novelty that originated with Paul. It received enough pushback from the founders in Jerusalem that Paul felt the need to secure his position against the Judaizers in his letters.
                Actually it was Peter who started the process of welcoming Gentiles into salvation by Christ (Acts Ch. 10-11). Paul's and Barnabas's dispute was with Judaizers coming down to Antioch and insisting the Gentiles had to be circumcised in order to be saved. (Acts chapter 15)

                Paul's rebuke of Peter was about his hypocrisy in hanging out with Gentiles until Jews came in.
                Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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                • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                  Christianity began as a Jewish sect. It wasn't open to gentiles unless they converted. That was the norm. Paul's approach, welcoming non-Jews into Christianity, was a novelty that originated with Paul. It received enough pushback from the founders in Jerusalem that Paul felt the need to secure his position against the Judaizers in his letters.
                  Just a clarification...

                  Even in conventional understanding of Acts, Paul and his opponents, the gospel included Gentiles.

                  Peter came to a clearer understanding of this in Acts 10

                  The inclusion of Gentiles in the gospel began with Jesus ... as seen in Matt 28:19.

                  We have an early indication that Gentiles in Antioch were not being baptized such that some Jews from Judea started pushing for these Gentiles to be circumcised (Acts 15). The Antioch church had not been started by Paul but rather was started by Jews who fled persecution in Judea.

                  Later on Jews in Jerusalem had become intensely under legastic pressures. And these Jews were inclined to kill someone of Paul's reputation. James and the elders warned Paul of this (Acts 21:17ff). Note that James nor the elders appear to have this sentiment against Paul.

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                  • Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                    Just a clarification...

                    Even in conventional understanding of Acts, Paul and his opponents, the gospel included Gentiles.

                    Peter came to a clearer understanding of this in Acts 10

                    The inclusion of Gentiles in the gospel began with Jesus ... as seen in Matt 28:19.

                    We have an early indication that Gentiles in Antioch were not being baptized such that some Jews from Judea started pushing for these Gentiles to be circumcised (Acts 15). The Antioch church had not been started by Paul but rather was started by Jews who fled persecution in Judea.

                    Later on Jews in Jerusalem had become intensely under legastic pressures. And these Jews were inclined to kill someone of Paul's reputation. James and the elders warned Paul of this (Acts 21:17ff). Note that James nor the elders appear to have this sentiment against Paul.
                    That's true.
                    Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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                    • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                      ...but ham-fisted passive-aggressiveness is hunky-dory, amirite?
                      yes, you are right! The "passive" style is certainly predominate here, and among Christians.

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                      • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                        I could point out this thread was never meant to be a discussion about board decorum. Or I could point out that I responded to the post and didn't receive an answer. Or I could point out that you can see how staff members behave for yourself without the need to ask anyone else to spell it out for you.

                        But I think that's all beside the point.

                        The only thing you really need to take on board is the obvious that's true anywhere, anytime. Folks won't thank you for calling out their bad behavior. But if you do it with a bit of wit and style, without caring over much about how they respond, you'll fit in just fine.

                        Love the screen name by the way.

                        Nice touch.
                        What does it mean to be a Christian?

                        For an answer to that one can delve into definitions, or one can look and see what things Christians themselves actually consider to be "Christian". This may or may not be a Christian site, but Christian posters do expect a certain ...... acquiescence.

                        No, the thread was never meant to be a discussion about board decorum, but board decorum was brought into the discussion.

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                        • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          What did that entail?
                          Religious instruction in adherence to the law and circumcision to mark the conversion.

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                          • Originally posted by simplicio View Post
                            yes, you are right! The "passive" style is certainly predominate here, and among Christians.
                            A valiant attempt to deflect, eh?
                            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                            Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                            I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                            • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                              Religious instruction in adherence to the law and circumcision to mark the conversion.
                              Presumably, yes. This must be inferred, however, since we don't have anything but much later oral tradition to tell us how proselytes were initiated into the Judaic faith.
                              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                              Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
                              sigpic
                              I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                              • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                                A valiant attempt to deflect, eh?
                                How can it be a deflection when that centers on my point?

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