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    Time to withdraw?

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/joe-...draw-from-iraq

    Should we withdraw from Iraq to lessen the probability of an Iranian retaliation? If we do, then one result was to give Iran one of it goals that it wanted - America out of Iraq.

    Should we stay? Public support for the war is fading, and support will probably fade faster if the body count spikes up. One possibility is to turn the military mission over to private contractors and withdraw the military.

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    The US should have withdrawn from Iraq and Afghanistan long ago. Those wars are now so old that a baby born after they started could be recruited to fight in them. The US public wants out, and has for a long time.

    But yes, the poorly judged attack on Iran only heightens the importance of rapid withdrawal. Iran will be looking for retaliation, and rightly so - if Iran had assassinated Mike Pompeo, the US would be doing the same. If America publicly says sorry and withdraws from the region there is every chance the Iranians can be appeased and the escalation to war averted.

    Iran is 4 times the size of Iraq. The war in Iraq killed almost 5,000 American soldiers and wounded 32,000. Only an extremely callous and psychopathic person who cared nothing for American lives would start another war likely to kill many times that number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    The US should have withdrawn from Iraq and Afghanistan long ago. Those wars are now so old that a baby born after they started could be recruited to fight in them. The US public wants out, and has for a long time.

    But yes, the poorly judged attack on Iran only heightens the importance of rapid withdrawal. Iran will be looking for retaliation, and rightly so - if Iran had assassinated Mike Pompeo, the US would be doing the same. If America publicly says sorry and withdraws from the region there is every chance the Iranians can be appeased and the escalation to war averted.

    Iran is 4 times the size of Iraq. The war in Iraq killed almost 5,000 American soldiers and wounded 32,000. Only an extremely callous and psychopathic person who cared nothing for American lives would start another war likely to kill many times that number.
    Not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post

    Iran is 4 times the size of Iraq. The war in Iraq killed almost 5,000 American soldiers and wounded 32,000. Only an extremely callous and psychopathic person who cared nothing for American lives would start another war likely to kill many times that number.
    First, I do not want a war. Second we would not invade Iran. We would simply destroy their infrastructure and oil producing abilities by air...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    Not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.
    How about the innocent Iraqi civilians that will be killed after ISIS reconstitutes (which they are doing now), never mind tens of thousands of new refuges that Europe has no desire to take in. There are no good options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    First, I do not want a war. Second we would not invade Iran. We would simply destroy their infrastructure and oil producing abilities by air...
    And cyber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And cyber.
    Don't forget Iran has some pretty formidable cyber capabilities too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Don't forget Iran has some pretty formidable cyber capabilities too.
    Absolutely, so those would be targeted first, if they're not being targeted already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    How about the innocent Iraqi civilians that will be killed after ISIS reconstitutes (which they are doing now), never mind tens of thousands of new refuges that Europe has no desire to take in. There are no good options.
    There are no good options, we can agree on that, but I don't see war as the better option, unless there are allies of the US under immediate threat of attack. Then it would be right and good to engage in war to protect them. At the very least the action that is going to be taken, has to be proportional to unintentional evil caused by it, otherwise it's in vain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Don't forget Iran has some pretty formidable cyber capabilities too.
    Case in point:

    Source: Iran' launches cyber-attack on US government website warning 'we're always ready


    Hackers who claim to be working for the Iranian government have hacked a US government website in a "revenge" attack.

    In a brutal take-down of the Federal Depository Library Program (FDLP) the hackers warned this first move was “only a small part of Iran’s cyber ability”.

    The hackers posted: "This is message from the Islamic Republic of Iran.

    “We will not stop supporting our friends in the regions, the oppressed people of Palestine, the oppressed people of Yemen, the people, and the Syrian government, the people and government of Iraq, the oppressed people of Bahrain, the true mujahideen resistance in Lebanon and Palestine.

    “They will be supported by us.”

    Images of a photoshop Donald Trump appearing to be bloodied by a punch to the face, the Iranian flag and the country's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei were also posted onto the page.



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