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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAs for "top congresspeople" releasing classified information... One of the leading Democrats in the Senate, Patrick Leahy, has long been known as "Leaky Leahy" because of his habit of doing just that. In 1987 he leaked the Reagan administration's operational plans to topple Muammar Gaddafi to the MSM which forced the cancelling of the operation.
His leaking got so bad that eventually he was forced to step down from the Senate Intelligence Committee where he was the top Democrat.
And then of course there is Adam Schiff who regularly released information deemed classified in his attempt to get Trump.
Further, it isn't always the elected official but someone on their staff. Sort of like what we saw during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings which resulted in two Democrat Senate staffers being convicted of leaking information with one, Jackson Cosko[1], being sentenced to four years behind bars.
So... in general you can't name a single instance in history where any democrat or even democratic aide has definitely leaked any kind of State military secret. Yet, given that background, you nuttily speculated that the military's ability to carry out recent missions was caused by keeping them secret from Democrats???
As usual with the right wing, it's all projection. Trump is the one who blabs secrets constantly. He's got a history of ringing up people and telling them all about what he's doing. Of telling guests at Mar-o-laga what he's doing. Of telling North Korea where the US submarines are. Of inviting the Russians into the Oval office and revealing state secrets."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe second most powerful person in leadership in a country is not a "lawful combatant" by any stretch of the imagination, mr dung-for-brains.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawful...ant#Definition
(2) LAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT.—The term 'lawful enemy combatant' means a person who is—
(A) a member of the regular forces of a State party engaged in hostilities against the United States;
(B) a member of a militia, volunteer corps, or organized resistance movement belonging to a State party engaged in such hostilities, which are under responsible command, wear a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry their arms openly, and abide by the law of war; or
(C) a member of a regular armed force who professes allegiance to a government engaged in such hostilities, but not recognized by the United StatesThat's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostPure speculation. Leahy spoke out strongly about the constant leaking of materials that occurred during the Reagan administration, which infamously leaked like a sieve, probably because all the Reagan appointees were out to get each other and build their own power base within the administration. Reagan's approach to leadership (namely, to watch TV all day and leave his cabinet to bicker), lead to one of the most scandal and conflict ridden administrations in US history. It eventually made records for having the highest number of administration officials investigated, indicted or convicted in US history. Against that backdrop there's no good evidence that Leahy did the leak, as opposed to any of the number of factions within the administration, and Leahy has never admitted to it.
Then of course there was the time that while doing a television interview he disclosed a top-secret communications intercept of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's telephone conversations. Oops.
Originally posted by Starlight View PostNot quite. He leaked information about the draft Iran Contra report by mistake and said mea culpa and resigned after he did so. A investigative report into the administration's criminal behavior is not exactly a high-priority national secret, and he took responsibility for his act. Your wild unevidenced claims that he was a serial leaker are amusing though.
The fact he has a long history of leaking like a sieve is beyond dispute but then that means nothing to a nutcase that thinks Soleimani is a diplomat.
Originally posted by Starlight View PostBy mentioning that the FBI's FISA filing correctly told the FISA court which US political party employed Christopher Steele to write the report on Trump? Wow, golly gee, he's sooo untrustworthy with crucial state military secrets.
Originally posted by Starlight View PostJackson Cosko's crime was doxxing some Senators. He was releasing personal information about them, not state military secrets.
Originally posted by Starlight View PostSo... in general you can't name a single instance in history where any democrat or even democratic aide has definitely leaked any kind of State military secret. Yet, given that background, you nuttily speculated that the military's ability to carry out recent missions was caused by keeping them secret from Democrats???
Originally posted by Starlight View PostAs usual with the right wing, it's all projection. Trump is the one who blabs secrets constantly. He's got a history of ringing up people and telling them all about what he's doing. Of telling guests at Mar-o-laga what he's doing. Of telling North Korea where the US submarines are. Of inviting the Russians into the Oval office and revealing state secrets.Last edited by rogue06; 01-07-2020, 02:47 PM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe second most powerful person in leadership in a country is not a "lawful combatant" by any stretch of the imagination, mr dung-for-brains.
But do continue to rant.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostGee, folks are getting under your skin. Star, if the "second in command" happens to be in a battle space coordinating attacks, he has relinquished his 'diplomatic immunity.
But do continue to rant.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostBut, guys, CBS posted a video of him reading poetry!
Death to America!
This is my cry.
Death to America!
Death to America!
This is what I live by.
Or maybe that was star's.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Posthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawful...ant#Definition
(2) LAWFUL ENEMY COMBATANT.—The term 'lawful enemy combatant' means a person who is—
(A) a member of the regular forces of a State party engaged in hostilities against the United States;
(B) a member of a militia, volunteer corps, or organized resistance movement belonging to a State party engaged in such hostilities, which are under responsible command, wear a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry their arms openly, and abide by the law of war; or
(C) a member of a regular armed force who professes allegiance to a government engaged in such hostilities, but not recognized by the United StatesLast edited by JimL; 01-07-2020, 05:30 PM.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostIt's not about whether he was a lawful combatant or not, it's about whether it was in the best Interests of the U.S. to target Soleimani for assassination. As CP recognised it is going to ratchet up the hostilities, turn the Iranian people against the U.S. and put American citizens and the military at higher risk. Everyone agrees Soleimani deserved what he got, but was it the strategically wise thing to do, and who in the long run actually benefits from the assassination? The Iranian government certainly does, the Russians are sure to be happy about it, the anti-Americans in Iraq also seem to have benefitted. The U.S., well, we rid the Iranians of their top general. But is assassinating one man worth putting Americans at risk or getting ourselves into another long, unnecessary and expensive war? This all stems from Trumps backing out of the nuclear agreement with Iran simply because of his narcisistic need to destroy the Obama legacy.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Is political assassination a Christian act ?
If the US can do that sort of thing with an easy conscience, how can it claim to be acting in accord with the Gospels ?
One suspects that a lot of US preachers are going to be riffling through the OT in order to “prove” that political assassination undertaken by a POTUS is totally commanded by God. And I very much hope that does not happen, for if it does, it will reflect extremely badly on US Evangelicalism.
It is very troubling that political assassination, when practiced centuries ago, was often embarrassing to those Christians who tolerated or allowed or commanded it - but now, it seems to trouble Christians very little. (Political assassination committed by one’s enemies was, of course, an abomination.)
It is as though Christians are becoming coarsened, and are prepared to defend or at least tolerate what, in saner moments, they would admit was wicked & indefencible. Christians used to oppose aerial bombing of civilian centres - that scruple is now dead. A Christianity that gives way on issue after another, commits a slow suicide.
Unless Christians stop acquiescing in wicked acts committed by the authority of the State, why should anyone care what they say on other, more theologically central, issues ?
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Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View PostIs political assassination a Christian act ?
If the US can do that sort of thing with an easy conscience, how can it claim to be acting in accord with the Gospels ?
One suspects that a lot of US preachers are going to be riffling through the OT in order to “prove” that political assassination undertaken by a POTUS is totally commanded by God. And I very much hope that does not happen, for if it does, it will reflect extremely badly on US Evangelicalism.
It is very troubling that political assassination, when practiced centuries ago, was often embarrassing to those Christians who tolerated or allowed or commanded it - but now, it seems to trouble Christians very little. (Political assassination committed by one’s enemies was, of course, an abomination.)
It is as though Christians are becoming coarsened, and are prepared to defend or at least tolerate what, in saner moments, they would admit was wicked & indefencible. Christians used to oppose aerial bombing of civilian centres - that scruple is now dead. A Christianity that gives way on issue after another, commits a slow suicide.
Unless Christians stop acquiescing in wicked acts committed by the authority of the State, why should anyone care what they say on other, more theologically central, issues ?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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