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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    A very good point . However, the question referred to the time since most of the major civil rights legislation was passed such as today.


    Is there a backlash to civil rights in the Republican Party today?
    Is there a backlash that we need to review laws passed 50 years ago and see if they are still reliant today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    The party of Lincoln, or the party of backlash against civil rights?
    How about the party of the KKK, segregation, Jim Crow and filibusters against the CRA and VRA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    How about the party of the KKK, segregation, Jim Crow and filibusters against the CRA and VRA?
    You mean those democrats/dixiecrats that found that their real home was in the republican party?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Is there a backlash that we need to review laws passed 50 years ago and see if they are still reliant today?
    I assume you mean relevant?

    I think it is useful to look at and review laws to see if the serve a purpose. Some laws are easy, the laws against redlining (discrimination in banking) or poll tax. But others are not so easy, such as affirmative action.

    And it is worthwhile to examine the philosophical and ideological bases which allowed such laws that we reject today, and ask if the worldview went extinct in the intervening years.

    Black conservatives will not flock to the Republican party until that is faced and addressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    How about the party of the KKK, segregation, Jim Crow and filibusters against the CRA and VRA?
    What ideas existed then which made those things possible, and do they exist today? Is there an underlying backlash against civil rights today? If so, which party would they be found?

    You pointed out that some historians argue that George Wallace was not really racist, that his iconic speeches were merely a pragmatic tactic to maintain power so that he could still push his legislative agenda for "all the good he did for black" Alabamans. Really?

    Ideas generally do not just reside in parties, they reside in the electorate. The modern KKK thought they found a kindred spirit in Trump, the Republicans today. That was one lesson learned in 2017, the series of rallies to unite the right under a big, inclusive tent. So inclusive that it included the KKK.

    You are right, the KKK in the past found kindred spirits and fellow travelers in the Dem Party. But what you are avoiding is that today, the party which fits that bill is the GOP. And we live in a world where there is a rising tide of authoritarian populism and right wing resurgence. The last time that happened was a century ago.

    A century ago, the political institutions found themselves ill prepared to meet the challenge. And even more damnimg is the church, the Body of Christ, also were ill prepared to meet the challenge. And this generation looks back and wonders why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    What ideas existed then which made those things possible, and do they exist today? Is there an underlying backlash against civil rights today? If so, which party would they be found?

    You pointed out that some historians argue that George Wallace was not really racist, that his iconic speeches were merely a pragmatic tactic to maintain power so that he could still push his legislative agenda for "all the good he did for black" Alabamans. Really?

    Ideas generally do not just reside in parties, they reside in the electorate. The modern KKK thought they found a kindred spirit in Trump, the Republicans today. That was one lesson learned in 2017, the series of rallies to unite the right under a big, inclusive tent. So inclusive that it included the KKK.

    You are right, the KKK in the past found kindred spirits and fellow travelers in the Dem Party. But what you are avoiding is that today, the party which fits that bill is the GOP.

    And we live in a world where there is a rising tide of authoritarian populism and right wing resurgence. The last time that happened was a century ago. A century ago, the political institutions found themselves ill prepared to meet the challenge. And even more damnimg is the church, the Body of Christ, also were ill prepared to meet the challenge. And this generation looks back and wonders why.
    If history isn't understood, it will repeat itself. Although, even if understood, the repeat of the above could be desired by some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    If history isn't understood, it will repeat itself. Although, even if understood, the repeat of the above could be desired by some.
    The left is the one with the history of authoritarianism. Projection is a classic trait of the left, no matter the era. History repeats itself indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    What ideas existed then which made those things possible, and do they exist today? Is there an underlying backlash against civil rights today? If so, which party would they be found?

    You pointed out that some historians argue that George Wallace was not really racist, that his iconic speeches were merely a pragmatic tactic to maintain power so that he could still push his legislative agenda for "all the good he did for black" Alabamans. Really?

    Ideas generally do not just reside in parties, they reside in the electorate. The modern KKK thought they found a kindred spirit in Trump, the Republicans today. That was one lesson learned in 2017, the series of rallies to unite the right under a big, inclusive tent. So inclusive that it included the KKK.

    You are right, the KKK in the past found kindred spirits and fellow travelers in the Dem Party. But what you are avoiding is that today, the party which fits that bill is the GOP. And we live in a world where there is a rising tide of authoritarian populism and right wing resurgence. The last time that happened was a century ago.

    A century ago, the political institutions found themselves ill prepared to meet the challenge. And even more damnimg is the church, the Body of Christ, also were ill prepared to meet the challenge. And this generation looks back and wonders why.
    The KKK is a shadow of its former self. While the left wants to paint their opponents as racist, modern white liberals are some of the most racist, sexist people around. Just try being a minority or women that doesn’t tote the liberal line and you’ll see it for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    The KKK is a shadow of its former self. While the left wants to paint their opponents as racist, modern white liberals are some of the most racist, sexist people around. Just try being a minority or women that doesnÂ’t tote the liberal line and youÂ’ll see it for yourself.
    Yes the Klan and associated alt right are minor and small in numbers, always were. But ideologies gain power and importance through their ability to dominate the conversation. One example was the Nazi party in Germany, it skillfully manipulated and pandered to the basest of instincts in the electorate. It gained influence through the fellow traveler, the mitlaufer. Many attended Klan rallies in the twenties, and fifties, it was wholesome family entertainment with games for kids, mom, and apple pie. The Nazis offered to stand strong against communists and the weaknesses among the decadent elitists. The klan rallies presented their political chauvinism in the evenings, when the hoods came out and crosses were burnt.

    Racism existed within the conservative and Christian right back then, as well as now. Few dared to stand against the tide, and this generation looks back and wonders why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Yes the Klan and associated alt right are minor and small in numbers, always were.
    Not always. In the mid 20s it boasted somewhere between 4 to 5 million members. At the time the U.S. population was roughly 116 million meaning. While only about 4% of the population it was the biggest organization of its time.

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