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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    So what you're saying is that it's Trump's fault for exercising restraint and not responding to Iran's attack on our military bases?

    Alrighty then!
    Fault, as in a bad thing? Well, yeah, dead passengers are a bad thing, but dead passengers, mostly Iranian, shot down by Iran, is a lot more of a bad thing for them than for anyone else.

    To be clear, this was a massive own goal by the Iranians, and possibly a game changer. It wouldn't have happened without Trump, but he can't take the credit, either.

    The most baffling thing in all of this is why Iran didn't ground all civilian flights during combat operations.
    Iranian combat operations were over. These were defensive weapons.

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    • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
      If my last sentence was anything other than a spot on summary of the preceding paragraph, you'd be breaking it apart instead of blowing smoke rings around it.
      As usual you think waaaaaay too highly of yourself.

      How do you ever manage to get that swollen head of yours through a doorway?

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        I'm waaaaaay too high ...
        Get back to me when you're not.

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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Asked whether he was confident it was an accident, Trudeau replied: 'This is one of the issues that we certainly need better answers to'

          Yeah. That's a dodge, not a "I have doubts about it being an accident". It's an "I sure do hope it was an accident because it would be a horrible thing if my friends the peaceful Islamic terrorists were to blame".


          Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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          • All this can be traced back to Kermit’s coup of 1953.
            That’s enough.
            “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
            “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
            “not all there” - you know who you are

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            • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
              All this can be traced back to Kermit’s coup of 1953.
              That’s enough.
              You can't blame me - I was still pooping green.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                That would be nice.

                But history tells us that no country is ever quick to say "oops, my bad" when they shoot down a civilian airliner by mistake. When the US military similarly accidentally shot down a civilian airliner (Iran Air 655) over Iran in 1988, they were anything but open and honest about what had happened and their own culpability in it, and it took 8 years for the US to issue a non-apology apology for it. Likewise it took Ukraine years to admit they'd mistakenly shot down Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 by mistake in 2001, and Russia still hasn't admitted its role in mistakenly shooting down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in 2014.
                Looks like in the face of overwhelming evidence, Iran has admitted to shooting down the plane.
                Iranian protesters take to streets after Tehran admits Ukrainian plane was unintentionally shot down

                (CNN)Anti-government protesters took to the streets of Iran Saturday after Tehran admitted that it mistakenly shot down a Ukrainian passenger jet, killing 176 people.
                Thousands gathered outside the gates of Amir Kabir University, near the former US embassy in Tehran, to denounce the plane crash the government blamed on human error and "US adventurism."
                Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 crashed Wednesday after takeoff from Tehran's airport. The crash came hours after Iran fired missiles at Iraqi military bases housing US troops in retaliation for a drone strike at Baghdad airport that killed Iranian commander Qasem Soleimani.

                In video posted on social media, protesters chanted for Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to step down and for those responsible for downing the plane to be prosecuted. "Death to the dictator," some chanted.
                In one video, demonstrators chanted, "Khamenei have shame. Leave the country."
                A mass vigil commemorating the victims of the doomed flight escalated into an angry demonstration following the government admission, according to Iran's semiofficial FARS News Agency. University graduates migrating to Canada were among those who perished in the crash.
                FARS reported that Iranian police dispersed students who entered and blocked main roads.
                Their anger was fueled in large part by the nation's armed forces claim that it targeted the passenger plane unintentionally. It attributed the crash to radar activity and fear of US action.
                "The Islamic Republic of Iran deeply regrets this disastrous mistake. My thoughts and prayers go to all the mourning families," President Hassan Rouhani said.
                After the missile operation in Iraq, US military flights around Iranian borders increased and Iranian military officials reported seeing aerial targets coming toward strategic centers, according to a statement by Iranian armed forces headquarters.
                "The aircraft came close to a sensitive IRGC military center at an altitude and flight condition that resembled hostile targeting. Under these circumstances, the aircraft was unintentionally hit, which unfortunately resulted in death of the many Iranian and foreign nationals," the statement reads.
                The victims include 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians, 11 Ukrainians, 10 Swedes, four Afghans, three Germans and three British nationals.
                "Human error at time of crisis caused by US adventurism led to disaster," Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif tweeted.

                ---

                Seems like the Iranian people are not too happy with their government after all.

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                • Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
                  Criticizing Trump makes you little different than an abusive husband.

                  Time to talk to your dealer, rouge. That dope ain't straight.

                  Objectively, the SA-15 battery (reportedly), would not have been deployed were it not for a credible threat (including war crimes) from Trump, who had already ordered two assassinations of Iranian nationals. Subjectively, the consequences of that threat — Iran shooting down a Ukrainian flight using a Russian missile system — were wildly fortunate for Trump, an Iranian goal deflection of historic proportion.

                  All y'all Trump apologists should dance that jig out of your system and go home.

                  Because at the end of the day, our state department is still telling all Americans to leave Iraq immediately (without approaching our embassy), the Iraqi parliament is calling for all of our troops to leave, Soleimani has been replaced by his deputy, and the guy who accomplished all this is still saying it made us safer.

                  If it weren't for that 737, Iran would be spiking in the endzone.
                  Yes it is IRAN'S fault. They shot down the plane. Why were they allowing planes to take off in the first place if there was a military alert and they were afraid of US retaliation? And THEY were the ones who initiated hostilities that night by shooting off missiles. It wasn't like we attacked them at night and they went on high alert and shot down the plane. They started it, then didn't ground civilian traffic and then shot down the plane.

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                  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    Yes it is IRAN'S fault. They shot down the plane. Why were they allowing planes to take off in the first place if there was a military alert and they were afraid of US retaliation? And THEY were the ones who initiated hostilities that night by shooting off missiles. It wasn't like we attacked them at night and they went on high alert and shot down the plane. They started it, then didn't ground civilian traffic and then shot down the plane.
                    Iran was adamant in declaring that the "response" would be at a time of their own choosing - so it wasn't like they fired off a bunch of missiles without a detailed plan.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Whoops... now the Iranian government is accusing the US of tricking the missile operator into shooting down the plane, or somehow taking control of the missile system and shooting it down ourselves:

                      Radio Farda relayed that Abdollahi claimed, “there had been a report about a U.S. cruise missile attack in the wake of Iran’s missile launches at two Iraqi bases a few hours earlier on January 8.”

                      “He claimed that the operator of the missile fired at the plane had difficulty in receiving the message of the command center when the alert about cruise missiles was removed and mistook the plane for an incoming American missile,” the outlet noted.

                      He then floated a similar theory to Jannati: that Americans somehow snuck into the Iranian military system and shot down the plane to make the Islamic regime look bad.

                      https://www.breitbart.com/middle-eas...rainian-plane/
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Whoops... now the Iranian government is accusing the US of tricking the missile operator into shooting down the plane, or somehow taking control of the missile system and shooting it down ourselves:

                        Radio Farda relayed that Abdollahi claimed, “there had been a report about a U.S. cruise missile attack in the wake of Iran’s missile launches at two Iraqi bases a few hours earlier on January 8.”

                        “He claimed that the operator of the missile fired at the plane had difficulty in receiving the message of the command center when the alert about cruise missiles was removed and mistook the plane for an incoming American missile,” the outlet noted.

                        He then floated a similar theory to Jannati: that Americans somehow snuck into the Iranian military system and shot down the plane to make the Islamic regime look bad.

                        https://www.breitbart.com/middle-eas...rainian-plane/
                        As laughable as that is, it doesn't get them off the hook for not grounding all planes while they were conducting a missile attack or were on high alert.

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                        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Whoops... now the Iranian government is accusing the US of tricking the missile operator into shooting down the plane, or somehow taking control of the missile system and shooting it down ourselves:

                          Radio Farda relayed that Abdollahi claimed, “there had been a report about a U.S. cruise missile attack in the wake of Iran’s missile launches at two Iraqi bases a few hours earlier on January 8.”

                          “He claimed that the operator of the missile fired at the plane had difficulty in receiving the message of the command center when the alert about cruise missiles was removed and mistook the plane for an incoming American missile,” the outlet noted.

                          He then floated a similar theory to Jannati: that Americans somehow snuck into the Iranian military system and shot down the plane to make the Islamic regime look bad.

                          https://www.breitbart.com/middle-eas...rainian-plane/
                          To mistake a DEPARTING passenger plane (speed, heading, altitude, squawk/ident) for an incoming missile is, at BEST, incredible incompetence.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            To mistake a DEPARTING passenger plane (speed, heading, altitude, squawk/ident) for an incoming missile is, at BEST, incredible incompetence.
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                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Whoops... now the Iranian government is accusing the US of tricking the missile operator into shooting down the plane, or somehow taking control of the missile system and shooting it down ourselves:

                              Radio Farda relayed that Abdollahi claimed, “there had been a report about a U.S. cruise missile attack in the wake of Iran’s missile launches at two Iraqi bases a few hours earlier on January 8.”

                              “He claimed that the operator of the missile fired at the plane had difficulty in receiving the message of the command center when the alert about cruise missiles was removed and mistook the plane for an incoming American missile,” the outlet noted.

                              He then floated a similar theory to Jannati: that Americans somehow snuck into the Iranian military system and shot down the plane to make the Islamic regime look bad.

                              https://www.breitbart.com/middle-eas...rainian-plane/
                              It looks all those protests are starting to take a toll if they're now claiming this.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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