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  • #61
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    So, let's say you're a drone operator sitting in your office in the states, and your predator drone is circling a daycare from which missiles had been fired.
    You are given the green light to fire on the day care, and you can see children outside playing.

    You execute?
    Send in a Ranger or SEAL team to do a precision "extraction" of the enemy forces. Just like we would send in SWAT for a school hostage situation.

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    • #62
      Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that those doing the loudest squawking about Soleimani being eliminated didn't bat an eye when Obama was launching something like 2800 drone strikes into sovereign countries and even targeting American citizens? To say that their outrage is selective is an incredible understatement.

      I'm always still in trouble again

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      • #63
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that those doing the loudest squawking about Soleimani being eliminated didn't bat an eye when Obama was launching something like 2800 drone strikes into sovereign countries and even targeting American citizens? To say that their outrage is selective is an incredible understatement.
        It's Orange Man.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          Send in a Ranger or SEAL team to do a precision "extraction" of the enemy forces. Just like we would send in SWAT for a school hostage situation.
          Yeah, you can't just blow up a day care center because they were launching missiles from it.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Yeah, you can't just blow up a day care center because they were launching missiles from it.
            Or you leak something and make the enemy THINK you are going to bomb the school, wait for them to scatter like roaches and kill them away from the school.

            Maybe that is why Trump was talking about targeting important Iranian sites, they probably think he is crazy enough to do it and might not bother hiding behind women and children.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              Or you leak something and make the enemy THINK you are going to bomb the school, wait for them to scatter like roaches and kill them away from the school.

              Maybe that is why Trump was talking about targeting important Iranian sites, they probably think he is crazy enough to do it and might not bother hiding behind women and children.
              But this is a tactic we see far more with Iranian backed militias, like in Gaza --- there's really not the same "blend in with the civilians" stuff going on in Iran itself, because they have actual military bases.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that those doing the loudest squawking about Soleimani being eliminated didn't bat an eye when Obama was launching something like 2800 drone strikes into sovereign countries and even targeting American citizens? To say that their outrage is selective is an incredible understatement.
                For that matter, Pelosi defended Obama's decision to attack Libya, saying he needed no Congressional approval.

                A resurfaced clip that features Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi shows that the California representative once believed a president did not need congressional approval to use military force.

                Pelosi’s remarks came in 2011 after she was questioned on former President Barack Obama and his lack of congressional approval before he used force in Libya.

                “Madame leader, you’re saying that the president did not need authorization, initially, and still does not need any authorization from Congress to go in Libya,” a reporter asked Pelosi.

                “Yes,” Pelosi responded before walking away.

                https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...orce-in-libya/

                And in the case of Obama's attack on Libya, nobody is entirely sure of his rationale. We weren't at war, and it wasn't a response to a recent attack or imminent threat to the United States or its military personnel.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  For that matter, Pelosi defended Obama's decision to attack Libya, saying he needed no Congressional approval.

                  A resurfaced clip that features Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi shows that the California representative once believed a president did not need congressional approval to use military force.

                  Pelosi’s remarks came in 2011 after she was questioned on former President Barack Obama and his lack of congressional approval before he used force in Libya.

                  “Madame leader, you’re saying that the president did not need authorization, initially, and still does not need any authorization from Congress to go in Libya,” a reporter asked Pelosi.

                  “Yes,” Pelosi responded before walking away.

                  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...orce-in-libya/

                  And in the case of Obama's attack on Libya, nobody is entirely sure of his rationale. We weren't at war, and it wasn't a response to a recent attack or imminent threat to the United States or its military personnel.
                  We had also come to terms with Gaddafi as well after he turned over his nuclear weapons program.

                  Anywho...

                  Source: FLASHBACK: Only ‘Cynical’ ‘Traitors’ Questioned Clinton’s Military Strike During Impeachment


                  Ever since Donald Trump last week ordered the killing of Iranian terrorist Qasem Soleimani, journalists have skeptically questioned his motives and the timing of the strike in the midst of an impeachment effort. On the Sunday Today, Harry Smith cynically noted that “impeachment, no one’s talked about impeachment, what, for two or three days now?” The New York Times wondered if Trump was trying to “wag the dog” to divert from impeachment.

                  Just over 21 years ago, when Bill Clinton ordered air strikes over Iraq during his impeachment, journalists provided a very different response, bemoaning a “cynical” age and possibly “treasonous” questioning of a sitting president’s military power. On the December 17, 1998 edition of the NBC Nightly News, Gwen Ifill chided, “With the nation at war, the question is whether it's even appropriate to act [on impeachment] now.”

                  On that same day, World News Tonight anchor Peter Jennings bemoaned that “there was not the traditional rally around the leader support that usually results while American forces are in action overseas.”

                  Over on cable, Brian Williams — not yet disgraced for telling all sorts of falsehoods on air — used the December 16, 1998 edition of MSNBC’s The News to lament the “cynical” questioning of Clinton ordering the attack during impeachment: “Is it the height of cynicism in the '90s that we are discussing this at all? That anyone doubts the purity of a President's moment when committing troops in action militarily?"



                  Source

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                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                  • #69
                    Yeah, let's ignore the fact that nobody is talking about impeachment because Pelosi mothballed the articles weeks ago and refuses to send them to the Senate. It's effectively a dead story at this point!
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      Yeah, let's ignore the fact that nobody is talking about impeachment because Pelosi mothballed the articles weeks ago and refuses to send them to the Senate. It's effectively a dead story at this point!
                      Even some of the liberal talking heads have admitted the air has gone out of that balloon.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        But this is a tactic we see far more with Iranian backed militias, like in Gaza --- there's really not the same "blend in with the civilians" stuff going on in Iran itself, because they have actual military bases.
                        We saw it with Iraq in Desert Storm too. They were even hiding planes in residential areas.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          We saw it with Iraq in Desert Storm too. They were even hiding planes in residential areas.
                          Absolutely - and other places where Iran fights by proxy. But they don't need to do that at home.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Absolutely - and other places where Iran fights by proxy. But they don't need to do that at home.
                            Just saying the Iraqi army did it, so why wouldn't the Iranian army do it? The Iraqi army wasn't some ragtag guerillas. They were an organized army with bases and everything. Yet they hid behind women's skirts when the going got tough.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              We saw it with Iraq in Desert Storm too. They were even hiding planes in residential areas.
                              This reminds me of how, back in the early days of the Iraq invasion, the leader of the Mahdi Army, Muqtada al-Sadr, anticipated being attacked by American forces while holed up in a mosque. The attack never took place and residents soon started complaining about the horrible smell emanating from the mosque. It was discovered that Sadr's men had gathered up all the corpses from morgues that they could get their hands on and put them in the mosque. They had hoped to show the media just how many innocent civilians had been ruthlessly "killed" by American forces after the place was attacked.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                Just saying the Iraqi army did it, so why wouldn't the Iranian army do it?
                                The major difference between Iran and Iraq is that Iraq was headed by a brutal dictator with ZERO government needed to approve anything he did. Iran has the theocracy, but they also have a civil government (of sorts) and a large number of secular citizens that can demonstrate against the government.

                                Iraq has been a war zone for... how long? Iran has not been a war zone -- their wars are fought by proxies outside their borders.

                                The Iraqi army wasn't some ragtag guerillas. They were an organized army with bases and everything.
                                And only one dictator who controlled absolutely everything.

                                Yet they hid behind women's skirts when the going got tough.
                                And surrendered to news reporters.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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