Just war and Iran

[Mountain Man]

The attack on 9-11 is an example of a terrorist attack. The twin towers in Manhattan were chosen because of their symbolic cultural significance.

They were chosen with the intent of causing mass causalities. I assume that wouldn't be Trump's intent if we attacked cultural sites in Iran.

But this is all moot, since things seem to be cooling off.

[Sparko]

So every female aged over 13 is tested for pregnancy at the border before leaving and after returning to the country? That would make it fair.

If a law doesn’t apply to everyone due to something like race, religion or social status then shouldn’t it apply to no one?

You seem to be insane. Going by your thinking we shouldn't have laws because some people find ways around them.

Do you believe abortion is killing a human being? If so, then I shouldn't have to argue why making keeping it legal is wrong. No matter how rich or poor someone is, they don't have the right to kill their baby. It's wrong. It's immoral. It's evil.

[Starlight]

It seems like it's asking too much for Americans to try an assess the morality of whether a war is just, when the vast majority of them can't locate the opposing country on a map.

Morning Consult just released a poll in which they added a question asking Americans (registered voters) to place a dot on a map of the world as to where they thought Iran was. This was what they got back:



Obviously the original map didn't have the green bit.

Now I don't mind if people got it technically wrong by putting their dot in Iraq rather than Iran... pretty much anywhere within the middle east would be okay IMO as it would indicate a general knowledge of the world and where the region of the conflict is. But the percentage of Americans who were just not even remotely close is depressingly huge.

[Sparko]

It seems like it's asking too much for Americans to try an assess the morality of whether a war is just, when the vast majority of them can't locate the opposing country on a map.

Morning Consult just released a poll in which they added a question asking Americans (registered voters) to place a dot on a map of the world as to where they thought Iran was. This was what they got back:



Obviously the original map didn't have the green bit.

Now I don't mind if people got it technically wrong by putting their dot in Iraq rather than Iran... pretty much anywhere within the middle east would be okay IMO as it would indicate a general knowledge of the world and where the region of the conflict is. But the percentage of Americans who were just not even remotely close is depressingly huge.

Did they ask a bunch of blind people? Who would pick the middle of the ocean?

[Bill the Cat]

Did they ask a bunch of blind people? Who would pick the middle of the ocean?

That was my thought. How can a country exist in the ocean? Sounds like people were trolling the pollsters.

[Bill the Cat]

Biden can't tell the difference between Iran and Iraq either!!

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-policy-speech

[rogue06]

That was my thought. How can a country exist in the ocean? Sounds like people were trolling the pollsters.

And folks like star bought it hook, line and sinker because it feeds into his extreme hatred for all things American.

[Mountain Man]

Did they ask a bunch of blind people? Who would pick the middle of the ocean?

Or the US? Or Canada?

I notice, however, that the majority of the answers are clustered in the Middle East, so it's not like they were all wildly wrong. Given the number of countries clustered in that region of the world, think it would be similar to asking non-Americans to identify the location of, say, Iowa on an unlabeled map of the US.

[Faber]

Did they ask a bunch of blind people? Who would pick the middle of the ocean?

And how many of the green dots were just lucky guesses? Their density is about the same as south central Europe and a few other middle-east nations,

[Watermelon]

You seem to be insane. Going by your thinking we shouldn't have laws because some people find ways around them.

Do you believe abortion is killing a human being? If so, then I shouldn't have to argue why making keeping it legal is wrong. No matter how rich or poor someone is, they don't have the right to kill their baby. It's wrong. It's immoral. It's evil.

It’s not my way of thinking, it’s a legal principle that is fundamental to the western legal system. In the pre common law British past, murder could be settled by paying the victims family a sum of money. Common law and the jurisprudence that would follow after William the conqueror would redefine crime as an offence against the public rather than the victim/s and therefore prosecuted by the state. Not only did this remove the option for people to pay their way out of crime but allowed for the same standards to be applied for the same crimes by always having the same victim.

You have to separate morals with law. My argument isn’t about the moral issue of abortion, it’s about the consistency of the law.

You also said that the argument against abortion has nothing to do with religion, is that still your position?

What do you think the purpose of criminal laws are?

[seanD]

It seems like it's asking too much for Americans to try an assess the morality of whether a war is just, when the vast majority of them can't locate the opposing country on a map.

Morning Consult just released a poll in which they added a question asking Americans (registered voters) to place a dot on a map of the world as to where they thought Iran was. This was what they got back:



Obviously the original map didn't have the green bit.

Now I don't mind if people got it technically wrong by putting their dot in Iraq rather than Iran... pretty much anywhere within the middle east would be okay IMO as it would indicate a general knowledge of the world and where the region of the conflict is. But the percentage of Americans who were just not even remotely close is depressingly huge.

That's just sad.

[Sparko]

It’s not my way of thinking, it’s a legal principle that is fundamental to the western legal system. In the pre common law British past, murder could be settled by paying the victims family a sum of money. Common law and the jurisprudence that would follow after William the conqueror would redefine crime as an offence against the public rather than the victim/s and therefore prosecuted by the state. Not only did this remove the option for people to pay their way out of crime but allowed for the same standards to be applied for the same crimes by always having the same victim.

You have to separate morals with law. My argument isn’t about the moral issue of abortion, it’s about the consistency of the law.

You also said that the argument against abortion has nothing to do with religion, is that still your position?

What do you think the purpose of criminal laws are?

The moral issue of abortion is that a fetus is a human being, not part of the mother. The mother has no more right to kill it in her uterus than she does in it's crib. No matter how rich or poor she is. I think it needs to be made illegal. If some want to skirt the law and they have the money, then if they are caught, they should face the consequences. If someone is poor and they find someone to do it for them cheaply, they should face the consequences. If they get away with it, then there is nothing to be done. People get away with breaking the law and not getting caught all the time. It doesn't mean we don't have laws.

I think you indicated you might be a lawyer in some previous post. If so, remind me never to hire you. You suck at it.

"You have to let my client go because the rich lady next door got away with killing her husband and running off to Mexico, so it is not fair to punish my client for getting caught killing her husband, just because she can't afford the plane ticket to Mexico!"

[Cow Poke]

It seems like it's asking too much for Americans to try an assess the morality of whether a war is just, when the vast majority of them can't locate the opposing country on a map.

Yeah, the liberals in charge of our education system are FAR more interested in our schools teaching nonsense than actual geography. It's a crying shame.

[Cow Poke]

That was my thought. How can a country exist in the ocean? Sounds like people were trolling the pollsters.

Or they weren't sure, so, yeah, they just played the game.

[Sparko]

Yeah, the liberals in charge of our education system are FAR more interested in our schools teaching nonsense than actual geography. It's a crying shame.

Well if they were asking college students, it would explain the misses and ocean targets. There are many videos on youtube of college students not being able to find anything on a map, or not knowing who won WW2 or even the Civil War.