Republican Party leader in Delaware blames Jews for Trump’s impeachment

[simplicio]

Jesus for one:

And with inevitable and irresistible irony, a Christian appeals to one of the most controversial verses in scripture, a verse used and misused by virulent antisemites.

I suppose the synagogue of Satan is populated by Jews who do not support Trump's Israel policy!

[Sparko]

Okay. What do you think was meant by the use of the phrase "Jews in name only"?

Bernie Sanders.

[Charles]

...you know you can't meet the challenge.

You had to cut out most of his post before making that conclusion. I wonder who can't meet the challenge?

And it is extremely funny that you yourself - in the post quoted - present a conclusion that does not necessarily follow from the premises after claiming Ox did the same.

[simplicio]

Bernie Sanders.

Okay.

And what do you base that on?

[Sparko]

Okay.

And what do you base that on?

He is anti-religion and he hates Israel.

[rogue06]

He is anti-religion and he hates Israel.

Wikipedia (yeah, I know) lists Sanders among those considered "secular Jews" along with such figures past and present as Sigmund Freud, Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Noam Chomsky, Alan Dershowitz and Billy Joel.

[Sparko]

Wikipedia (yeah, I know) lists Sanders among those considered "secular Jews" along with such figures past and present as Sigmund Freud, Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Noam Chomsky, Alan Dershowitz and Billy Joel.

Yep. But he seems to dislike his own people and his people's homeland.

[JimL]

https://www.jns.org/republican-party...s-impeachment/



It is a dangerous game to exploit [economic anxiety] to win elections because there's always someone who takes it two or ten steps too far. I know many Republicans would condemn these statements but if we want to stop seeing things like this we have to also start condemning the Soros memes, birtherism (on all levels), jokes about Michelle Obama, Stephen Miller, and all similar exploitation of [economic anxiety].

Just another crazy republican. One has to wonder however, just how they got to the positions they're in in the first place.

[simplicio]

Wikipedia (yeah, I know) lists Sanders among those considered "secular Jews" along with such figures past and present as Sigmund Freud, Karl Marx, Leon Trotsky, Noam Chomsky, Alan Dershowitz and Billy Joel.

Some Jews are atheists, yet are still recognized as Jews, which suggests that the term jew has implicit meaning more than religion. Many point to a culture, a Jewish culture which produces individuals with an identifiable cultural judaism.

but secularism refers to a separation of the religious sphere from the private sphere, as a result or reaction to modernism. Most Jews see themselves as secular, outside of the Orthodox world of Judaism. And many Christians, even among the religious right see themselves as secular, able to differentiate the practical considerations of,the public sphere and politics from the private sphere of religion and individual beliefs.

In what sense is Israel their homeland, they were dispersed among nations for two millennia, even finding positions of power within gentile nations? And yes, that is a loaded question, but one which ought to be asked and discussed.

[Leonhard]

Some Jews are atheists, yet are still recognized as Jews, which suggests that the term jew has implicit meaning more than religion.

This is not unique to Judaism. For instance a Catholic is considered a baptized and confirmed Catholic, even if they lose their faith will be considered a Catholic in the eyes of the Church.

[JimL]

This is not unique to Judaism. For instance a Catholic is considered a baptized and confirmed Catholic, even if they lose their faith will be considered a Catholic in the eyes of the Church.

To be Jewish is not necessarily the same as thing as being affilliated with Judaism. One can be a jewish athiest, but one can not be a christian, or catholic athiest. What the church might believe is irrelevant.

[simplicio]

This is not unique to Judaism. For instance a Catholic is considered a baptized and confirmed Catholic, even if they lose their faith will be considered a Catholic in the eyes of the Church.

While there is both cultural Judaism and cultural Catholicism (as well as their Protestant counterparts), One usually isn't called a Catholic because the grandparents were Catholic.

The term secular Jew has no real counterpart among Christians, there is always the sense of "not a Christian"; that exclusionary principle is quite common among Christians. But not common at all within Judaism. Much of Judaism accepts that the faith is proper to the private sphere, and fears the the emergence of faith in the public square, their history is one of tribulations within a society dominated by other faiths.

Secularism is a reaction against modernism, and involves faith being relegated to the private sphere. Since politics is the intersection of the private and public spheres, the individual participation in the collective functions of society, state, and nation, religion can never be absent. Religion is a natural part of life, of what it means to be human.

It is common to list atheists who are also Jews as examples of secular Jews, but that ignores the impact of secularism has in society and various faiths.

[Leonhard]

To be Jewish is not necessarily the same as thing as being affilliated with Judaism. One can be a jewish athiest, but one can not be a christian, or catholic athiest.

Actually in this case, where someone is an atheist but had been part of the Church, they would be considered a catholic atheist. That is exactly what you they would be considered.

[Leonhard]

While there is both cultural Judaism and cultural Catholicism (as well as their Protestant counterparts), One usually isn't called a Catholic because the grandparents were Catholic.

This is true, and this is where Judaism tends to also be a nationality and an ethnicity as well, which is rather unique among the worlds religions. I was simply giving an example where someone is considered a member of that religion, even if they don't hold its tennants anymore.

[JimL]

Actually in this case, where someone is an atheist but had been part of the Church, they would be considered a catholic atheist. That is exactly what you they would be considered.

Perhaps, I don't really know what the church considers, nor do I see how that would matter; what difference does it make to the atheist what the church considers him to be.