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Thread: Jewish Americans coming home to the GOP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    The Catholic pathway to salvation is more narrowly defined as well than jut accepting Jesus as Savior. It will well defined what a person has to do to reach Salvation.
    Okay. Just what is the catholic pathway to salvation? You can describe it from an external pov, or it can be described from internal pov, the soul and any changes which may occur.

    Do you hold that only Catholics can enter heaven? (loaded question)

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Who cares?



    As a Jewish Christian, you are naturally interested in such an issue. I think nothing about it, why should I think anything about what some Christians think about some Jews?
    As a Christian, can you really shrug off the question which ultimately refers to who and what G-d is, on one of the biggest stumbling blocks for Jews?

    Another stumbling block for Jews is the whole Christian antisemitism thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    As a Christian, can you really shrug off the question which ultimately refers to who and what G-d is, on one of the biggest stumbling blocks for Jews?
    Excuses.

    Another stumbling block for Jews is the whole Christian antisemitism thing.
    Excuses.

    Either Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, or He is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Excuses.



    Excuses.

    Either Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah, or He is not.
    Jesus is the messiah, a divine person, and the only begotten son. Jews do not recognize any of those realities.

    Do you really not care about how one apprehends those realities, how Jews who attained heaven apprehended those realities, or how Jews today can apprehend those realities?

    Many Jews see Christian as erstwhile and fickle allies at best. Given the views of religious right Christians on Jews, Jewish salvation (does the hope for Israel depend on apocalyptic destruction?), and the role of Israel in geopolitics (is Israel's role one with a future or does the divine drama demand the suffer nuclear holocaust: The Jew as perpetual victim and the foil to Christians' eschatology! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Jesus is the messiah, a divine person, and the only begotten son. Jews do not recognize any of those realities.

    Do you really not care about how one apprehends those realities, how Jews who attained heaven apprehended those realities, or how Jews today can apprehend those realities?

    Many Jews see Christian as erstwhile and fickle allies at best. Given the views of religious right Christians on Jews, Jewish salvation (does the hope for Israel depend on apocalyptic destruction?), and the role of Israel in geopolitics (is Israel's role one with a future or does the divine drama demand the suffer nuclear holocaust: The Jew as perpetual victim and the foil to Christians' eschatology! )
    The Church is now Israel, and the Jews simply need to repent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    The Church is now Israel, and the Jews simply need to repent.
    That is one of the most controversial topics within Christianity. Your answer leaves open the question on what role Israel today plays in the divine economy, the role of Judaism in salvation history (we have not reached the end of history) and eschatology.

    Yes repentance is necessary, but not all that is needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    That is one of the most controversial topics within Christianity. Your answer leaves open the question on what role Israel today plays in the divine economy, the role of Judaism in salvation history (we have not reached the end of history) and eschatology.

    Yes repentance is necessary, but not all that is needed.
    No question marks
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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    No question marks
    And a response which does not respond to any ideas presented, substance free post in response to a post, and discussion, about the faith.

    But of course, no one would dare comment "I can't believe a Christian would say such a thing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    And a response which does not respond to any ideas presented, substance free post in response to a post, and discussion, about the faith.
    Hang on there, my chutzpah-meter just broke.
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    Is the Republican Party likely to be able to reach out and draw Jewish voters?

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