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    Clean Slate Bills...

    Clean slate bills, which are becoming popular in many states, including my state (see below), is interesting. I wonder how this will relate to ex-felons buying fire arms. I guess they will legally be able to.


    New Connecticut (CONECT) to promote a “Clean Slate” bill that would have expunged people’s criminal records if they remained crime-free for up to five years after serving their sentences.

    https://ctmirror.org/2020/01/08/lamo...-next-session/
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    I think it's the right thing to do. The war on some drugs has incarcerated so many people who are now second class citizens in our society.

    I wonder what Republicans think about giving them back guns given how strongly they feel about the 2nd amendment and how that meshes with their "tough on crime" stances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Clean slate bills, which are becoming popular in many states, including my state (see below), is interesting. I wonder how this will relate to ex-felons buying fire arms. I guess they will legally be able to.


    New Connecticut (CONECT) to promote a “Clean Slate” bill that would have expunged people’s criminal records if they remained crime-free for up to five years after serving their sentences.

    https://ctmirror.org/2020/01/08/lamo...-next-session/

    Not sure what I think about that. Once a person has demonstrated the capacity to commit a felonious crime, I'm not sure one can every extend full trust back to them. Especially WRT firearms. This is not to say a person can't change or be changes by Faith in Christ. It's more that one can't tell looking on the outside how real such a change is, and a line once crossed is easier to cross twice. That and there will be people that can wait five years to get a clean slate and then will turn around and use it as the opportunity to commit that or worse again. So best not to compound that by making it legal for them to own a firearm.

    Interestingly - I think this applies: A person that is truly sorry and fully changed such that one could extend full trust to them after committing some heinous crime would not allow you to extend full trust back to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    I think it's the right thing to do. The war on some drugs has incarcerated so many people who are now second class citizens in our society.

    I wonder what Republicans think about giving them back guns given how strongly they feel about the 2nd amendment and how that meshes with their "tough on crime" stances.
    Actually I think liberals would be more conflicted. The bill in my state would completely expunged the criminal record - so they would be able to but firearms.
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    As someone who has volunteered in a Prison Ministry for the last 10+ years, and having counseled with many inmates and seen multiple men release from prison to live upstanding lives, several who have even started their own prison ministry. I think it could be a good thing for many. I think it needs good oversight though. Real investigations into those petitioning for a clean slate is in order I think. I believe Texas clean slate laws are only for deferred adjudication cases unless some special circumstances are in place (like committing a crime because you were a victim of Human trafficking) thing like that. My son had deferred adjudication (for a class B misdemeanor) and has since had his expunged. He is licensed to carry now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Actually I think liberals would be more conflicted. The bill in my state would completely expunged the criminal record - so they would be able to but firearms.
    I'm fine with it as long as we are deciding which crimes are eligible for this program based on data. Some of the claims in that article make sense to me and some goes against my intuition but I'm willing to follow the data wherever it leads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlejoe View Post
    As someone who has volunteered in a Prison Ministry for the last 10+ years, and having counseled with many inmates and seen multiple men release from prison to live upstanding lives, several who have even started their own prison ministry. I think it could be a good thing for many. I think it needs good oversight though. Real investigations into those petitioning for a clean slate is in order I think. I believe Texas clean slate laws are only for deferred adjudication cases unless some special circumstances are in place (like committing a crime because you were a victim of Human trafficking) thing like that. My son had deferred adjudication (for a class B misdemeanor) and has since had his expunged. He is licensed to carry now.
    Makes sense. Laws like this tend not to get implemented in a manner that incorporates what many of us would count as common sense, and that is where they go wrong I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    I wonder how this will relate to ex-felons buying fire arms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlejoe View Post
    As someone who has volunteered in a Prison Ministry for the last 10+ years, and having counseled with many inmates and seen multiple men release from prison to live upstanding lives, several who have even started their own prison ministry. I think it could be a good thing for many. I think it needs good oversight though. Real investigations into those petitioning for a clean slate is in order I think. I believe Texas clean slate laws are only for deferred adjudication cases unless some special circumstances are in place (like committing a crime because you were a victim of Human trafficking) thing like that. My son had deferred adjudication (for a class B misdemeanor) and has since had his expunged. He is licensed to carry now.
    I'm a little leery of the five year timeframe and the particulars (like jurisdiction) but I favor the concept.

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