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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Why are you always come across so antagonistic? You asked a question, people answered it. Then you continue to berate them as if you were interrogating them in a police station.
    Its sad that an ostensibly Christian site finds Christianity so bothersome. Have you ever read how Christians meet with disagreement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    So do you really think not much needs be said about Jesus as reconciler of a shattered world?!
    That is not at all what you asked.
    That is what Reconciliatio et penitentia is about.
    Ok? You asked for comment on a particular quotation from it, which I supplied.
    Is Christianity, and Christian ethics, meant to be kept to sayings fit for bumper sticker? I disagree strongly, even before I converted to Catholicism.
    I didn't say it was. Are you deliberately trying to be offensive? Posts like this make me wonder if you're not merely trolling here (though people who have known you for a while inform me otherwise).
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Its sad that an ostensibly Christian site finds Christianity so bothersome. Have you ever read how Christians meet with disagreement?
    I wasn't talking about the topic, but about your apparent attitude. The post I am responding to as case in point. You seem to get off on finding ways to attack other Christians or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Its sad that an ostensibly Christian site finds Christianity so bothersome.
    Non sequitur for the win!
    Have you ever read how Christians meet with disagreement?
    From your example, the response appears to be accusing the one who disagrees with having said something entirely different.
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  5. Amen Sparko, Cerebrum123, NorrinRadd, RumTumTugger amen'd this post.
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    Oh and by the way, I actually agreed with your OP and so did OBP basically, he just said it could be shorter and say the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    How close do they need to be before we have some obligation as Christians?
    The person in need could be sitting right next to you. Often we miss the obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Oh and by the way, I actually agreed with your OP and so did OBP basically, he just said it could be shorter and say the same thing.
    How seldom are Christians willing to move any discussion of the faith away from insipid generalities? The bare bones gospel is rather nice, even useful when applied to the individual. And if the salt and light only refers to the impact on the individual, then any stark generalities are sufficient.

    Does Christianity deserve a place in the public square, be part of the discussions affecting society? If so, then there ought to be at least a minimum of things which Christians can agree with items which are drawn from ideas developed over the millennia. Ideas formulated in such a way that they can be used in some rudimentary decision making process.

    We live in a secular nation, and are not a theocracy. But does that imply there is no room for faith in the public square? Just how can faith ne brought into the discussion without a pragmatic formulation of what it means? The document reconciliatio et penitentia is an examination of what the faith means. The OP looked at some errors Christians can make.

    Two movements within Christianity have been juggernauts, forcing the faith into the public realm: The (conservative) religious right and the (progressive) social justice movement. Each side accuses the other of going to far, pushing the faith beyond the boundaries.

    If the faith is anything other than another than another political ideology, then the underlying political philosophy used has to be anchored in Christian thought. If the faith which many Christians hold is a parody of the real thing (rogue made the point and unwittingly included mossrose and others in the thread concerning which set of elites wield influence ), then ought they have a voice representing the faith?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    The person in need could be sitting right next to you. Often we miss the obvious.
    I hear people pray "God, send somebody my way who I can help...."
    I pray "God, open my eyes to the people you send my way every day...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    How seldom are Christians willing to move any discussion of the faith away from insipid generalities? The bare bones gospel is rather nice, even useful when applied to the individual. And if the salt and light only refers to the impact on the individual, then any stark generalities are sufficient.

    Does Christianity deserve a place in the public square, be part of the discussions affecting society? If so, then there ought to be at least a minimum of things which Christians can agree with items which are drawn from ideas developed over the millennia. Ideas formulated in such a way that they can be used in some rudimentary decision making process.

    We live in a secular nation, and are not a theocracy. But does that imply there is no room for faith in the public square? Just how can faith ne brought into the discussion without a pragmatic formulation of what it means? The document reconciliatio et penitentia is an examination of what the faith means. The OP looked at some errors Christians can make.

    Two movements within Christianity have been juggernauts, forcing the faith into the public realm: The (conservative) religious right and the (progressive) social justice movement. Each side accuses the other of going to far, pushing the faith beyond the boundaries.

    If the faith is anything other than another than another political ideology, then the underlying political philosophy used has to be anchored in Christian thought. If the faith which many Christians hold is a parody of the real thing (rogue made the point and unwittingly included mossrose and others in the thread concerning which set of elites wield influence ), then ought they have a voice representing the faith?
    Nice speech but what does it have to do with what I said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Nice speech but what does it have to do with what I said?
    So Christianity is best left vague and amorphous? Many Christians are adept at parsing out theologies when it comes to finer points of justification, grace, and the soul's response. But when faith is applied to the public sphere, theology can be reduced to bumper sticker slogans or a modern tweet!

    The examination of the four responses to evil are used, even by Christian posters here, and by Christians off line, even if they are unawares. It is used, applied, to reactions to abortion legislation, racism (past and present), and even the whole of politics.

    People are pigeon holed as supporters, exploiters, complicit, indifferent, fatalistically accepting, or accepting and consecrating the status quo. And those are an articulation of the OP.

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