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  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Actually, I do, Jim. Do you actually have a point?
    He has a point, yes. He thinks you might change your ways if you used a bit more self-reflection.

    Personally, I think we all could use more of that.
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    • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      He has a point, yes. He thinks you might change your ways if you used a bit more self-reflection.

      Personally, I think we all could use more of that.
      Generally, it's best if one attempting to make such a point exhibits such behavior himself.

      And, yes, and I'm even being much nicer to JimL.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        I want to respond to this: the point of insults used in this fashion is not necessarily o compel someone to listen to you but to publicly dishonor them so that other people will be dissuaded from listening to them. [...]
        I much prefer the Bible:

        1 Peter 3:15-16
        But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
        "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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        • Originally posted by Charles View Post
          I much prefer the Bible:

          Scripture Verse: 1 Peter 3:15-16[/verse


          But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.

          © Copyright Original Source

          That's why I've been so polite to you, Charles. You're my hero.

          (By the way, I 'fixed' your Bible citation using the "verse" tags. Isn't that sharp looking?)
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
            You seemingly want to "publicly dishonor" certain people instead of having a fair discussion. You seemingly do not think your arguments are strong enough, or you want to appeal to those who are not guided by rational thinking.
            That's quite the straw man fallacy you've constructed, but I don't expect any better from you.
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
              I much prefer the Bible:
              You only "prefer" it in so far as it serves your purpose of hypocritically beating Christians over the head and not because you take the gospel to heart and live your life accordingly. For example, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, you do not "revere Christ as Lord" as commanded by scripture.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                That's quite the straw man fallacy you've constructed, but I don't expect any better from you.
                Feel free to show where the straw man is hiding. Simply claiming so is a rather low standard for discussion. Doing so with even more of your uncivil aproach (name calling and personal attack) is not very convincing.

                Here is what you wrote:

                Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                I want to respond to this: the point of insults used in this fashion is not necessarily o compel someone to listen to you but to publicly dishonor them so that other people will be dissuaded from listening to them. [...]
                Here is my reply:

                Originally posted by Charles View Post
                Well, the first part is quite telling. You seemingly want to "publicly dishonor" certain people instead of having a fair discussion. You seemingly do not think your arguments are strong enough, or you want to appeal to those who are not guided by rational thinking.
                And - by the way - here is what you left out:

                Originally posted by Charles View Post
                It is a quite low standard for discussion.

                Since you are not Jesus I fail to see that you are in a postion to do what he sometimes did. I don't think your rightheousness, mandate to judge or actual knowledge about the true motives, hearts and minds of others is at his level according to the Gospel.

                I agree with William Lane Craig when he says:
                "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  You only "prefer" it in so far as it serves your purpose of hypocritically beating Christians over the head and not because you take the gospel to heart and live your life accordingly.
                  This is a lie.

                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  For example, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, you do not "revere Christ as Lord" as commanded by scripture.
                  I honestly say I am not a Christian so I guess you know the answer. That does not mean I have to disagree with the wisdom in the book that you ignore in your selective approach combined with a number of false statements about other persons.
                  "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    You only "prefer" it in so far as it serves your purpose of hypocritically beating Christians over the head and not because you take the gospel to heart and live your life accordingly. For example, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, you do not "revere Christ as Lord" as commanded by scripture.
                    Again, let's have a look at the Bible:

                    Matthew 7:21
                    Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
                    "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                    • Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                      I honestly say I am not a Christian so I guess you know the answer.
                      Right, so it is hypocritical for you to throw scripture in our faces that you have no intent of following yourself.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Right, so it is hypocritical for you to throw scripture in our faces that you have no intent of following yourself.
                        You are the one who are not following it though you claim to be a Christian.

                        I said I prefer it. I did not say I follow it. I like its' call for a civil and respectful discourse and think we should all be able to agree on that.
                        "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                        • Originally posted by Chuckles View Post
                          I said I prefer it. I did not say I follow it.
                          In other words, "Do as I say, not as I do." Textbook hypocrisy.
                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            In other words, "Do as I say, not as I do." Textbook hypocrisy.
                            Nope, I have made it clear that I prefer its' call for civil discourse. I follow it in that regard. I do not follow it with regard to giving reason for my faith, since I don't have one so that would be hypocritical.

                            And the point was that what you said clearly contradicted it though you claim to be a Christian. Your only way around that fact seems to be to focus on my person, not the text. So focusing on my person and providing false statements is seemingly what you have got.
                            "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                            • Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                              I have addressed that issue Sparko. Trump needed to be investigated. And it would have been negligence not to investigate him. And there is no equivalence between that lawful investigation, whatever techniques were used, and the nefarious attempt to spy on and harm, in every real sense of the word, Yavanovitch.
                              As was said earlier in the thread, even if "it needed to be done" that doesn't mean it wasn't "spying" - having a secret informant inside the Trump campaign is spying.

                              Even when the police have an informant in a criminal gang, it is spying. That they need to be caught doesn't negate that the informant was spying for the police.

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                              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                                Right, so it is hypocritical for you to throw scripture in our faces that you have no intent of following yourself.
                                It always reminds me of the old saying about how even the devil can quote Scripture.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

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