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    The conspiracy to harm Marie Yovanovitch

    Texts released yesterday reveal


    Newly-published text exchanges involving Rudy Giuliani's associate Lev Parnas show him discussing efforts to stalk former US ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, and refer to her bluntly as 'that [female dog]'. (DO's edit)

    The conversations back up Yovanovitch's testimony, showing Parnas and his associates plotting to "get rid" of her.

    Hyde later sent several texts suggesting he was keeping tabs on Yovanovitch in Ukraine, adding, "They are willing to help if we/you would like a price."

    At the end of March, Hyde texted Parnas updating him on Yovanovitch's location and the state of her security.

    He followed up saying how they "have a person inside."

    Parnas replied: "She's not a simple fool, trust me. But she's not getting away."


    And don't forget that Lev worked for Rudy who was acting as Trump's personal attorney on Ukraine matters.

    I'd like to hear anyone give a benign and not ad hoc interpretation of these. Rereading them still sends chills down my spine.

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    Already addressed in another thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Seriously? That made you feel queasy? Maybe it was something you ate.

    As for a "benign" explanation, I can think of any number of non-nefarious reasons why someone might want to keep tabs on someone else, and I'm sure you can, too. I also don't see anything that could be definitively read as them wanting to harm her. "They are willing to help if we/you would like a price" could mean pretty much anything. Help with monitoring her communications? Help with staying up all night to conduct surveillance on her residence? Help with planting listening devices in her car? I don't know, and neither do you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Already addressed in another thread:
    Please address the details laid out in what I wrote.

    1) What legitimate reason is there for Lev to keep tabs on her location?

    2) What benign explanation is there for saying "She's not a simple fool, trust me. But she's not getting away."

    3) What benign reason is there to "have a person inside." her security team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    Please address the details laid out in what I wrote.

    1) What legitimate reason is there for Lev to keep tabs on her location?

    2) What benign explanation is there for saying "She's not a simple fool, trust me. But she's not getting away."

    3) What benign reason is there to "have a person inside." her security team.
    That kinda sounds like the FBI keeping tabs on Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    Please address the details laid out in what I wrote.

    1) What legitimate reason is there for Lev to keep tabs on her location?

    2) What benign explanation is there for saying "She's not a simple fool, trust me. But she's not getting away."

    3) What benign reason is there to "have a person inside." her security team.
    Burden of proof doesn't work that way. Like I told Sam is another thread, "court cases do not depend on what you assume or infer but on what you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt. So where's the proof?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    That kinda sounds like the FBI keeping tabs on Trump.
    Not going to touch that ;). If you really think the FBI is spying on Trump it should be easy for Barr to get the bottom of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Burden of proof doesn't work that way. Like I told Sam is another thread, "court cases do not depend on what you assume or infer but on what you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt. So where's the proof?"
    I'm asking your opinion!. We aren't in court. We aren't in Congress weighing impeachment. I'm asking you to tell me what these texts suggest to you.

    They are clearly so much worse than any of us had imagined. In another thread you asked me what I thought they would contain and I was pinning my hopes on catching Nunes and maybe Rudy. I had no idea it would show a plot against Yovanovitch.
    Last edited by DivineOb; 01-15-2020 at 11:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    Not going to touch that ;). If you really think the FBI is spying on Trump it should be easy for Barr to get the bottom of that.
    Confirmed: FBI Was Spying on the Trump Campaign

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    FBI cleared of spying (Business Insider) just last month.


    The Justice Department's inspector general found no evidence to support President Donald Trump's claim that the FBI spied on his 2016 presidential campaign while investigating whether the campaign was conspiring with the Russian government to interfere in the election, The New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing people familiar with a draft of the report.

    The Times article builds on reporting from The Washington Post, which broke the story last week.

    Trump has repeatedly and baselessly alleged that the FBI inserted covert agents in his campaign. Trump and his allies dubbed this purported scandal "Spygate."

    He has also alleged, without evidence, that President Barack Obama ordered US intelligence officials to tap his phones, a claim the report is also expected to undercut.


    This article I guess is from just before the report came out but these conclusions were confirmed in the report.

    All this stuff is just hype and lies. Same with so many claims about Hillary Clinton.


    The Washington Post reported Thursday that after continuing on for more than two years, Huber's investigation “has effectively ended with no tangible results.” After combing through documents and conferring with federal law enforcement officials looking into the Clinton Foundation in Little Rock, Arkansas, the Post reports that Huber has “found nothing worth pursuing,” let alone any criminal charges. The U.S. attorney has not yet officially reported any results to the Justice Department, however, and the inquiry is technically still ongoing. But officials cited by the Post say that Huber's years-long investigation has by this point “largely finished”—and with nothing to show for it.


    Since I doubt anyone will give an actual defense of the Parnas texts we can continue down this rabbit trail if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    FBI cleared of spying (Business Insider) just last month.


    The Justice Department's inspector general found no evidence to support President Donald Trump's claim that the FBI spied on his 2016 presidential campaign while investigating whether the campaign was conspiring with the Russian government to interfere in the election, The New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing people familiar with a draft of the report.

    The Times article builds on reporting from The Washington Post, which broke the story last week.

    Trump has repeatedly and baselessly alleged that the FBI inserted covert agents in his campaign. Trump and his allies dubbed this purported scandal "Spygate."

    He has also alleged, without evidence, that President Barack Obama ordered US intelligence officials to tap his phones, a claim the report is also expected to undercut.


    This article I guess is from just before the report came out but these conclusions were confirmed in the report.

    All this stuff is just hype and lies. Same with so many claims about Hillary Clinton.


    The Washington Post reported Thursday that after continuing on for more than two years, Huber's investigation “has effectively ended with no tangible results.” After combing through documents and conferring with federal law enforcement officials looking into the Clinton Foundation in Little Rock, Arkansas, the Post reports that Huber has “found nothing worth pursuing,” let alone any criminal charges. The U.S. attorney has not yet officially reported any results to the Justice Department, however, and the inquiry is technically still ongoing. But officials cited by the Post say that Huber's years-long investigation has by this point “largely finished”—and with nothing to show for it.


    Since I doubt anyone will give an actual defense of the Parnas texts we can continue down this rabbit trail if you want.
    Forgive me if I don't take anonymous comments on draft reports seriously.

    And as I said in the other thread, reading attempts to get someone fired as death threats is just sick. You need to seriously reexamine your motives for even going there.
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