Warren vs Sanders

[seanD]

The Hill


I don't know which is more intriguing to me. That Warren and Sanders are duking it out when all the progressives dreamed of a Warren/Sanders ticket.

Or the fact that CNN clearly showed its bias against Sanders for all the world to see during the debates, which could spark suspicion among his supporters that the DNC establishment is once again conspiring against his nomination.

I think the former makes me amused and the latter makes me kind of elated for 2020 in favor of the GOP.

[Terraceth]

I saw that part of the debate and didn't think that the moderator was necessarily

[Starlight]

The establishment, DNC, and MSM have been at war with progressives since forever. They'd vastly prefer Republicans to win than progressives.

[seanD]

I saw that part of the debate and didn't think that the moderator was necessarily

I think what matters is what the Sanders supporters believe. Twitter leftists are in an uproar about it. Even TYT looked at it as foul, and it wasn't the only question they point out that gave the impression CNN was biased against him. I only think it's interesting because it could have huge ramifications against the DNC in the general.

[JimL]

I think what matters is what the Sanders supporters believe. Twitter leftists are in an uproar about it. Even TYT looked at it as foul, and it wasn't the only question they point out that gave the impression CNN was biased against him. I only think it's interesting because it could have huge ramifications against the DNC in the general.

After all the hoopla, the issue didn't amount to a hill of beans. They are almost mirror images of each other anyway, and they are good friends. Personally I'm finding it difficult to make up my mind between the two of them. They are equally the most genuine and up front out of the whole bunch of them running. Although Yang ranks up there also in that dept.

[Mountain Man]

The Hill

I don't know which is more intriguing to me. That Warren and Sanders are duking it out when all the progressives dreamed of a Warren/Sanders ticket.

Or the fact that CNN clearly showed its bias against Sanders for all the world to see during the debates, which could spark suspicion among his supporters that the DNC establishment is once again conspiring against his nomination.

I think the former makes me amused and the latter makes me kind of elated for 2020 in favor of the GOP.

Sanders is finally getting a taste of what it's like to have "sources say" lies told about him.

He loved it when they did it to Trump. Not so much now!

[Mountain Man]

There were apparently some fireworks following the debate:

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020...ed-him-a-liar/

[DivineOb]

The Hill

I don't know which is more intriguing to me. That Warren and Sanders are duking it out when all the progressives dreamed of a Warren/Sanders ticket.

Citation needed.

Or the fact that CNN clearly showed its bias against Sanders for all the world to see during the debates, which could spark suspicion among his supporters that the DNC establishment is once again conspiring against his nomination.

Sanders supporters are sore losers no matter what. I should know, I used to be one .

I think the former makes me amused and the latter makes me kind of elated for 2020 in favor of the GOP.

It's going to be Biden / Harris and you're going to get your clock cleaned.

[Mountain Man]

It's going to be Biden / Harris and you're going to get your clock cleaned.

Seriously, I can't tell if this is sarcasm, or delusion.

[seanD]

Citation needed.

The gist of the article was the worry among progressives that if the two ended up clashing, it would be the downfall of both, thus the progressive party in general. A Warren/Sanders ticket they believed would be the solution.

[DivineOb]

The gist of the article was the worry among progressives that if the two ended up clashing, it would be the downfall of both, thus the progressive party in general. A Warren/Sanders ticket they believed would be the solution.

I see. So when you said "That Warren and Sanders are duking it out when all the progressives dreamed of a Warren/Sanders ticket." you meant something other than all.

[seanD]

I see. So when you said "That Warren and Sanders are duking it out when all the progressives dreamed of a Warren/Sanders ticket." you meant something other than all.

I don't know, ask Omar.

[DivineOb]

I don't know, ask Omar.

I'm writing off all Justice Democrats so I'd rather not.

Also Warren / Sanders would be absolute poison in swing states. Anyone who thinks one of them without a strong centrist as VP is going to win is crazy or a secret Trump supporter.

[JimL]

I'm writing off all Justice Democrats so I'd rather not.

Also Warren / Sanders would be absolute poison in swing states. Anyone who thinks one of them without a strong centrist as VP is going to win is crazy or a secret Trump supporter.

I don't think so. Progressives have to stop worrying that progressives can't win. You don't see conservatives looking for a more moderate conservative for VP because they fear they can't win with 2 ultra conservatives on the ticket. You win when you're genuine, when you stand up for, and fight for what you believe, and convince the people that you're right in what you believe, not necessarily when you play political games like choosing a VP that doesn't necessarily agree with the President. I don't think that people concern themselves much with who the VP on the ticket is anyway, they're voting for the president and what the president stands for, not the VP. But I don't go for the idea that people want a balanced ticket. I don't think that a balanced ticket even makes sense on either side. Two genuine, well versed on the issues, fighters, like Sanders and Warren, I think would win and win big.

Bidens' time, I believe has past. He doesn't have the fight in him that Sanders and Warren have, nor is he completely genuine, he's always searching for his words, trying to think of what is best to say. Probably a result of so long a career in politics. The only way to win is to grow a movement, have a huge turnout, and the only way to do that is to excite the base and bring in millions of new voters. The 63 million that voted for Hillary aren't going to turn around and vote for the guy who turned out to be exactly what they thought he would be. This election, assuming Trump isn't ousted from the office by then, is going to be about who can best grow their support and get them out to vote. I think a progressive ticket will do a better job of that than a balanced/divided ticket will.

[Starlight]

It's going to be Biden / Harris and you're going to get your clock cleaned.

Um... Biden seems to be getting dementia. He gets muddled up quite often when he's trying to talk. His campaign have kept him away from the media to try and hide the fact that he's not all there, but behind the scenes Obama's team and all the big donors have abandoned him cos they don't like what they see. It would be a shame if he were to stumble across the line in the primary only to promptly faceplant in the general when it became clear to everyone he wasn't up to it.