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    If Texas turns blue in 2020 should the Democrats gerrymander?

    It hurts my heart but I am going to say they should stop at nothing to gerrymander it. Afterwards they should be similarly zealous to pass laws or even amend the state constitution to prevent gerrymandering in the future.

    Does that make me a sellout?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    Does that make me a sellout?
    Just be honest that winning and power is what you care about and not principle of 'fair play' or true belief in democratic ideals, then you won't be a sellout.
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    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nationís political system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Just be honest that winning and power is what you care about and not principle of 'fair play' or true belief in democratic ideals, then you won't be a sellout.
    Is that a yes then?

    Are you suggesting that those are the same motivations for gerrymanders in red states? Or are there more virtuous reasons for gerrymandering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    Are you suggesting that those are the same motivations for gerrymanders in red states? Or are there more virtuous reasons for gerrymandering?
    That's the politicians. The ordinary conservative voter doesn't support gerrymandering, but here you are.

    Is that a yes then?
    You're not a sellout. We both know you are slimy on politics. You're not a sellout, because you're being true to yourself.

    The next time you get triggered and want to sanctimoniously rant at Trump supporters, remember this, slimy one.
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    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nationís political system.

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    No. Democrats should work, in Texas and all other states, to remove partisan gerrymanders. The outcome will be beneficial to democracy and essential for liberalism. Trading one illiberal state for another is in no one's long-term interests.

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    "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" ó Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"


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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    It hurts my heart but I am going to say they should stop at nothing to gerrymander it. Afterwards they should be similarly zealous to pass laws or even amend the state constitution to prevent gerrymandering in the future.

    Does that make me a sellout?
    It isn't whether the democrats should redistrict, it's that when redistricting needs doing, it should be done by a neutral, disinterested party, regardless of which party holds power. That should be the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Just be honest that winning and power is what you care about and not principle of 'fair play' or true belief in democratic ideals, then you won't be a sellout.
    You seem to be of the opinion that the two are incompatile desires, comrade. Number one is "democracy," second is winning and power, won fairly within that democratic system of governance. The problem you conservatives are having right now, is that you can't win fairly, so you do what ever you can to undermine the process, you know, with things like extreme gerrymandering, voter suppression tactics, and soliciting interference from foriegn countries. One might call it, slimy!

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    I think Republicans shouldn't be too surprised to see the tools they've used for their own benefit turned against them. At the moment however, gerrymandering is an issue both sides deal with. This is to the point where some consider gerrymandering another level of political action, and part of the process.

    Improving it should be a bipartisan task. Both sides benefit from it, as no one wants a state locked-in not by what the voters represent, but through strangely and artifically constructed districts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    I think Republicans shouldn't be too surprised to see the tools they've used for their own benefit turned against them. At the moment however, gerrymandering is an issue both sides deal with. This is to the point where some consider gerrymandering another level of political action, and part of the process.
    Right, gerrymandering has been used by both sides because redistricting has been left up to the party in power how to redistrict. That's why it should be taken out of their hands and put into the hands of a neutral party. The people should be electing their representatives as was intended, not the other way around.
    Improving it should be a bipartisan task. Both sides benefit from it, as no one wants a state locked-in not by what the voters represent, but through strangely and artifically constructed districts.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    It isn't whether the democrats should redistrict, it's that when redistricting needs doing, it should be done by a neutral, disinterested party, regardless of which party holds power. That should be the law.
    I amen'd that, Jim, but I'm sad to say that I can't see it actually happening --- both sides are too entrenched in holding or gaining power for that to ever work.

    Do you have a suggestion as to who (or what) this "disinterested party" could be?
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