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  • #76
    Ha ha ha I was 100% sure that you would not offer a word for word interpretation not because you don't have time but rather because you cannot. Futurists have never accepted this challenge. The last one was "Explain from scripture word for word and line for line what John says about the antichrist." They cannot do it because their doctrines are not taken from scripture but rather word or phrase associations and not out of the full context of scripture.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Cooter View Post
      Ha ha ha I was 100% sure that you would not offer a word for word interpretation not because you don't have time but rather because you cannot. Futurists have never accepted this challenge. The last one was "Explain from scripture word for word and line for line what John says about the antichrist." They cannot do it because their doctrines are not taken from scripture but rather word or phrase associations and not out of the full context of scripture.
      How about you go back and answer my point by point rebuttal before you demand that I do more work to compensate for your intellectual laziness?
      That's what
      - She

      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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        • #79
          Typical. Ignore everyone and keep repeating your refuted arguments.
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
          - Stephen R. Donaldson

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          • #80
            Today, yes. When Luther did the translation, no. Try again, kemosabe.
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            • #81

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #82
                Very confusing. My comment was set in the time of Tyndale. If this is true he must have made a change before the time of Tyndale.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                  Typical. Ignore everyone and keep repeating your refuted arguments.
                  Always amazes me that you do all of the things that you accuse others of. Projecting maybe?

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Cooter View Post
                    Very confusing. My comment was set in the time of Tyndale. If this is true he must have made a change before the time of Tyndale.
                    It could be that your source (which has a very evident pro-Lutheran bias) is simply incorrect.
                    Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Cooter View Post
                      Always amazes me that you do all of the things that you accuse others of. Projecting maybe?
                      Sorry, champ. You are on the clock for a response to me. That takes precedence over your hand wave and request for information. Respond and then I'll respond in kind.
                      That's what
                      - She

                      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                        It could be that your source (which has a very evident pro-Lutheran bias) is simply incorrect.
                        Last edited by Cooter; 05-02-2015, 02:11 PM.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Cooter View Post
                          Right - anyone who doesn't agree with you must have a bias.
                          Everyone has a bias.
                          This is actually an extremely low priority item on my list. In the past I depend on credible organizations like Christian History to sort through all of the conjecture, arguments, and misinformation about these minor topics.
                          I'm still waiting for some actual evidence supporting your source's assertions. Characterization of your source as 'credible' is not evidence.
                          My wife just sent me an email about this topic a few minutes ago...

                          "Death of Athanasius. More than any other man, he took up the fight for Christ’s divinity in his writings. Five times he had been forced into exile. Slander dogged him. Yet he remained faithful to his vision of an uncreated Christ. He was the first to list the books of the New Testament as we know them."

                          Yet another claimant. I've seen about 5 or 6 so far.
                          What's that got to do with anything? I have nothing against Athanasius - he's a member of my church!
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                          • #88
                            Well it would be a waste of time because of Futurist Rule # 1 ...

                            1. Deny any historical fulfillment of any prophesy by any means.

                            I was a Futurist for the first half of my life and I full well am aware of their errors.

                            No amount of facts, historical documents, logic, common sense, will ever even scratch rule number one. And so I leave you to your unrealistic expectations.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Cooter View Post
                              Well it would be a waste of time because of Futurist Rule # 1 ...

                              1. Deny any historical fulfillment of any prophesy by any means.

                              I was a Futurist for the first half of my life and I full well am aware of their errors.

                              No amount of facts, historical documents, logic, common sense, will ever even scratch rule number one. And so I leave you to your unrealistic expectations.
                              Bull in a china shop poster rule #1 ...

                              1) Enter a thread and throw around accusations as if they are proven facts, and when corrected, run like a coward.

                              That's what
                              - She

                              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                              - Stephen R. Donaldson

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