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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Right, so if Texas decided to secede we should invade, kill a lot of Texans and force them to stay... Got it...
    Who knows? Both sides dawdled before Ft Sumter, I suspect both sides would wonder what to do and how to resolve the problem today. There aren't too many precedents to follow. Neither side would likely take it lightly.

    Then again, maybe the private militias could keep the US military out, defeat them. The governor famously called on the Texas National Guard to keep an eye on the UN when units were conducting exercises in Arizona, militias were "on alert".

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Right, so if Texas decided to secede we should invade, kill a lot of Texans and force them to stay... Got it...
    The United States didn't start a the war that killed 650,000 Americans, the seceding State of S. Carolina started the killing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    The United States didn't start a the war that killed 650,000 Americans, the seceding State of S. Carolina started the killing.
    No Jim, the North would not leave after repeated requests to do so, and the South did not invade the the North. The North were the invaders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    The United States didn't start a the war that killed 650,000 Americans, the seceding State of S. Carolina started the killing.
    No one died and no one was injured at Sumter


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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    No Jim, the North would not leave after repeated requests to do so, and the South did not invade the the North. The North were the invaders.
    Doesn't really matter does it, the secession was illegal and the treasonous S. Carolina attacked a U.S military fort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Doesn't really matter does it, the secession was illegal and the treasonous S. Carolina attacked a U.S military fort.
    Again Jim, secession was not illegal, certainly not then. No matter what the court made up after the fact. It was not illegal when they did it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Again Jim, secession was not illegal, certainly not then. No matter what the court made up after the fact. It was not illegal when they did it...
    Yes, actually it was, the Costitution didn't change from then until 1869. They may have not known it was illegal according to the Constitution, but if it was found to be illegal in 1869, and is still illegal to this day, then it was illegal in 1860 as well whether it was tested in the courts or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Yes, actually it was, the Costitution didn't change from then until 1869. They may have not known it was illegal according to the Constitution, but if it was found to be illegal in 1869, and is still illegal to this day, then it was illegal in 1860 as well whether it was tested in the courts or not.
    No one knew it was illegal - you know why Jim? Because the Constitution NEVER ADDRESSES it! And you can't show where it does...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    No one knew it was illegal - you know why Jim? Because the Constitution NEVER ADDRESSES it! And you can't show where it does...
    I don't need to, neither I nor you are a constitutional scholar, but those on the Supreme Court certainly are and the Supreme Court ruled that "in all its provisions, the constitution informs us that the U.S. is an indisoluable, indestructable Union composed of indestructable states. A Perpetual Union as agreed to and signed on to, by the States in the Articles of the Confederation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    I don't need to, neither I nor you are a constitutional scholar, but those on the Supreme Court certainly are and the Supreme Court ruled that "in all its provisions, the constitution informs us that the U.S. is an indisoluable, indestructable Union composed of indestructable states. A Perpetual Union as agreed to and signed on to, by the States in the Articles of the Confederation.
    Are you saying the Supreme Court is never wrong?
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