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  • #31
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Have you nothing more useful to do than be a grumbly old fart looking to start unnecessary fights?

    Sheeeesh, Jim, GROW UP!
    you really are good at starting fights from nothing - I'll give you that. You are good at casting aspersions on others too ... but that is not something I'd be overly proud of. But hey, if that's the award you want, you are well on your way to earning it
    Last edited by oxmixmudd; 01-21-2020, 11:40 AM.
    My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

    If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

    This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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    • #32
      Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
      you really are good at starting fights from nothing - I'll give you that. You are good at casting aspersions on others to ... but that is not something I'd be overly proud of. But hey, if that's the award you want, you are well on your way to earning it
      I get it -- you're competing with Charles for Nanny of the Year.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by seanD View Post
        There's no question that the socialism of the progressive left is a mirror image of the socialism of the Soviet Union
        I don't think so. There are similar elements, to be sure. But it's not a mirror image. The socialism here is based on an underlying principle of personal and corporate freedom as a nation - of the government as the servant of the people. The socialism in Russian is based on the underlying principle of the ultimate authority of the state and people as servants of the state. They are very different things.
        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          I get it -- you're competing with Charles for Nanny of the Year.
          You are so out there. You can't 'nanny' a conversation if you are one of the original participants.
          Last edited by oxmixmudd; 01-21-2020, 11:37 AM.
          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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          • #35
            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
            You are so out there. You can't 'nanny' a conversation if you are one of the original participants.
            Get help, Jim.

            Meanwhile, I'll go back to ignoring your lunacy. But, please, feel free to continue your psychotic attacks.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Get help, Jim.

              Meanwhile, I'll go back to ignoring your lunacy.
              And I quote, just two posts back:

              Originally posted by oxmixmudd
              You are good at casting aspersions on others too ...
              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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              • #37
                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                I don't think so. There are similar elements, to be sure. But it's not a mirror image. The socialism here is based on an underlying principle of personal and corporate freedom as a nation - of the government as the servant of the people. The socialism in Russian is based on the underlying principle of the ultimate authority of the state and people as servants of the state. They are very different things.
                One system was forced enslavement while the other system is voluntary enslavement. Every time you give the government more more, you become more of a slave. I just don't understand people who reject the wisdom of our founding fathers. People often recognize the bribery that goes to the House and Senate members but these people still hope for an equitable socialist system -- but somehow free from selfish corporate influence?

                Maybe we should just limit this corrupt socialism to one state, maybe Maryland?
                Last edited by mikewhitney; 01-21-2020, 11:47 AM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                  I don't think so. There are similar elements, to be sure. But it's not a mirror image. The socialism here is based on an underlying principle of personal and corporate freedom as a nation - of the government as the servant of the people. The socialism in Russian is based on the underlying principle of the ultimate authority of the state and people as servants of the state. They are very different things.
                  That's only because our government hasn't taken the ultimate leap towards full-on socialism yet (it's maybe about half... two thirds of the way there?). The authoritarian nature of it is expressed by the socialist left, who thankfully are not in full governmental power yet, mainly from a social perspective (though sometimes this does seep into government) -- i.e. stifling free speech under the guise of political correctness is just one among many examples. Like I said earlier, it's no accident pro-Russia networks push progressive politics. Why do you think that is?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                    How is it different? Real and legitimate evidence vs a single nutcase hack might have something to do with it. Trump has close connections to a large number of people with close ties to Putin. That is real. And in anyone's playbook prior to this insane presidency, that alone would have been justification for a thorough investigation of those ties and the very real potential Donald Trump is dangerously compromised by them.

                    But I have additional reasons to pronounce it nutcase stuff. But not things I am willing to discuss. And so that is all you get. It's nutcase stuff.
                    I love it. You are not willing to discuss your conspiracy theory. You return to your mind-numbed point that facts are nutcase stuff.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post
                      There's no question that the socialism of the progressive left is a mirror image of the socialism of the Soviet Union (especially the way they try and shut down free speech behind the cloak of political correctness). I don't think anyone would dispute that, except maybe the hardcore leftist socialists themselves. In fact, I don't find it an accident that pro-Russian networks like RT and Sputnik push progressive politics because that's obviously more aligned with their old socialist philosophy. What I'm having trouble is how she's connecting the intelligence community to that whole thing when they're the ones creating red scare paranoia at the same time. Is there a point in the video she addresses this?
                      She may have made a short comment about this. I was paying most attention to the moments she talked about the evidence she found about Comey's college days and his keen interest in Reinhold Niebuhr. She also mentioned a paper by Brennan -- something about revolutions. She seemed to stick mostly to evidence of their viewpoints rather than about why the apparent goal of fighting communism would be promulgated even if their interest is in promoting socialism/communism.

                      It seems like the Dems like to scare us about Communism as the boogeyman at the front door while letting it's sister, socialist policy, in through the back door. Most of the enabling of Communism would happen in offices in DC where workers are about 99% Democrats. Offices outside of DC may have more balanced political perspectives. (I'm not saying that so many of the Democrat voters are promoting Communism.)

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                        I love it. You are not willing to discuss your conspiracy theory. You return to your mind-numbed point that facts are nutcase stuff.
                        Read more carefully. What I'm not willing to discuss are my reasons for pronouncing the nutcase video a nutcase video. If you want to discuss why Trump deserved to be investigated as a potential national security threat, I'll be glad to discuss that.
                        My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                        If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                        This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by seanD View Post
                          There's no question that the socialism of the progressive left is a mirror image of the socialism of the Soviet Union (especially the way they try and shut down free speech behind the cloak of political correctness). I don't think anyone would dispute that, except maybe the hardcore leftist socialists themselves. In fact, I don't find it an accident that pro-Russian networks like RT and Sputnik push progressive politics because that's obviously more aligned with their old socialist philosophy. What I'm having trouble is how she's connecting the intelligence community to that whole thing when they're the ones creating red scare paranoia at the same time. Is there a point in the video she addresses this?
                          She may have made a short comment about this. I was paying most attention to the moments she talked about the evidence she found about Comey's college days and his keen interest in Reinhold Niebuhr. She also mentioned a paper by Brennan -- something about revolutions. She seemed to stick mostly to evidence of their viewpoints rather than about why the apparent goal of fighting communism would be promulgated even if their interest is in promoting socialism/communism.

                          It seems like the Dems like to scare us about Communism as the boogeyman at the front door while letting it's sister, socialist policy, in through the back door.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                            Read more carefully. What I'm not willing to discuss are my reasons for pronouncing the nutcase video a nutcase video. If you want to discuss why Trump deserved to be investigated as a potential national security threat, I'll be glad to discuss that.
                            Why did you inject any comment into the discussion if you didn't want to actually discuss aspects?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                              Why did you inject any comment into the discussion if you didn't want to actually discuss aspects?
                              I said it was a nutcase video as an explanation for why it is silly to expect a logical reconciliation of conflicting ideas. It was a very short post, and that was the idea I wanted to interject.

                              That it was in reply to seanD wondering how two conflicting ideas were reconciled. You cant expect a nutcase video to have dealt very thoroughly with logical contradictions, because if a person is capable of recognizing logical contradictions and has a full knowledge of the subject matter, they would never have made the nutcase video in the first place.
                              My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

                              If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

                              This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
                                I said it was a nutcase video as an explanation for why it is silly to expect a logical reconciliation of conflicting ideas. It was a very short post, and that was the idea I wanted to interject.

                                That it was in reply to seanD wondering how two conflicting ideas were reconciled. You cant expect a nutcase video to have dealt very thoroughly with logical contradictions, because if a person is capable of recognizing logical contradictions and has a full knowledge of the subject matter, they would never have made the nutcase video in the first place.
                                Like I said... if you don't want to contribute to the discussion ... I'm not sure what you are doing here.

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