The Impeachment Trial

[Watermelon]

Because "abuse of power" is not a crime in and of itself, it's the description of a crime. It would be like charging someone with a traffic violation but never specifying what law was actually broken. A judge would throw that nonsense out in no time flat.

Well there’s your problem, you don’t actually know what abuse of power is.

[Mountain Man]

Well there’s your problem, you don’t actually know what abuse of power is.

I actually do, which is why I know that accusing someone of "abuse of power" without naming the actual crime is a legally toothless charge. The majority of the Senate knows it, too.

[Cow Poke]

Trump isn't your King just yet, CP.

Nor will he ever be. Only jackwagon conspiracy theory nutters think like that.

Vindman and everyone else in the Administration's first loyalty is to Constitution and Country, not to the King.

According to the Constitution, they serve at the pleasure of the President. Maybe in your liberal pinko commie version of the country, it works the other way.

[Tassman]

There’s an evil spirit that dwells in Trump’s heart. Some can see it and others cannot. It uses charm to seduce you, it plays the victim and offers gifts. It demands not service, but loyalty, and judges people according to their loyalty. It lies constantly.

Actually it's more prosaic than an "evil spirit". As many have previously noted, Trump suffers from a Narcissistic Personality Disorder and he should not be in a position of power.

"The hallmarks of narcissistic personality disorder are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. They may also have grandiose fantasies and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment......"

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl...ality-disorder

[JimL]

Well thereÂ’s your problem, you donÂ’t actually know what abuse of power is.

Oh, he knows all right, Guys like MM don't concern themselves with things like facts or truth though, they'll go with whatever rationalization they can come up with if it suits their purpose at the time. If it were Obama instead of Trump you can bet MM, and republicans in general, would be screaming "Impeach him, Impeach him, ABUSE OF POWER.

[JimL]

Nor will he ever be.

Well if not, it will be no thanks to you.

Only jackwagon conspiracy theory nutters think like that.

Nope, people whose minds are open to facts and truth think like that. You'll find out some day, whether you want to or not.

According to the Constitution, they serve at the pleasure of the President. Maybe in your liberal pinko commie version of the country, it works the other way.

They serve at the pleasure of the president, not in loyalty to the president. Maybe someday you'll learn to distiguish between the two terms.

[rogue06]

Actually it's more prosaic than an "evil spirit". As many have previously noted, Trump suffers from a Narcissistic Personality Disorder and he should not be in a position of power.

"The hallmarks of narcissistic personality disorder are grandiosity, a lack of empathy for other people, and a need for admiration. People with this condition are frequently described as arrogant, self-centered, manipulative, and demanding. They may also have grandiose fantasies and may be convinced that they deserve special treatment......"

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl...ality-disorder

Trump is definitely a narcissist. Almost as bad as President "I-me" who was there immediately before him.

[Tassman]

Trump is definitely a narcissist. Almost as bad as President "I-me" who was there immediately before him.

But of course he was.

[firstfloor]

When I find somebody in my employ who is disloyal to me (hardly EVER happens ) I show them the door. It's standard business practice.

This needs a little thought - what is the difference between a business owner and the POTUS? The people give the POTUS a great deal of power to use of their behalf. The public demand proofs that the executive will not abuse that power or act against the country’s interest.

How’s the accountability going?

If you make exceptions because he is on your team, then you are part of the problem. Do you think that your civic duty is to be his base?

[firstfloor]

Eugene too!

[Cow Poke]

This needs a little thought -

You called Rachel, didn't you?

what is the difference between a business owner and the POTUS? The people give the POTUS a great deal of power to use of their behalf.

There are similarities and there are differences, obviously.

The public demand proofs that the executive will not abuse that power or act against the country’s interest.

And an election occurs every 4 years for an opportunity for the peaceful transfer of power.

How’s the accountability going?

It's less than a year for the people to speak. Meanwhile, there appears to be no "overwhelming support" from the people for the loony left's recent weaponization of the process of impeachment.

If you make exceptions because he is on your team,

I'm an Independent.

then you are part of the problem. Do you think that your civic duty is to be his base?

My Christian duty is to pray for him as a duly elected leader of my country.

[firstfloor]

Joe Walsh talks to Virginia Heffernan on Trumpcast.

[MaxVel]

Oh, he knows all right, Guys like MM don't concern themselves with things like facts or truth though, they'll go with whatever rationalization they can come up with if it suits their purpose at the time. If it were Obama instead of Trump you can bet MM, and republicans in general, would be screaming "Impeach him, Impeach him, ABUSE OF POWER.

And vice versa. If it was Obama instead of Trump, you would be saying 'he's done nothing wrong'.

You're so obviously completely partisan that you aren't even slightly credible. Doesn't matter that you can point to the partisanship of posters on the other side, they're not credible either.

Want people to take you even slightly seriously? Be just a little objective. Back up your claims with evidence (something you're notorious for NOT doing), and be willing to admit when you're wrong.

[JimL]

And vice versa. If it was Obama instead of Trump, you would be saying 'he's done nothing wrong'.

You're so obviously completely partisan that you aren't even slightly credible. Doesn't matter that you can point to the partisanship of posters on the other side, they're not credible either.

Want people to take you even slightly seriously? Be just a little objective. Back up your claims with evidence (something you're notorious for NOT doing), and be willing to admit when you're wrong.

First off if it were Obama, I would be surprised and saddened, but facts are facts and I would agree with the need of his being removed from office had he committed this violation of the Constitution. But it wasn't Obama, and we had no fear that Obama would be such a lawless wannabe dictator. But you are correct in recognizing that you are not credible.

[firstfloor]

You called Rachel, didn't you?

Rachel
Virginia Heffernan
Andrew Torrez
Benjamin Wittes
Preet Bharara
and many others.

I heard this morning, Joe Walsh saying that some members of Trump’s base, believe that never lies and he has never played golf since becoming President. He explains why they follow him. Every day’s a learning day.