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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    I’m sure they will. The evidence is overwhelming
    Saying "overwhelming" enough times doesn't necessarily make something overwhelming.

    for the majority of the house,
    On an incredibly partisan basis, the ONLY bipartisanship being Democrats voting against...

    the legal community and roughly half the population.
    Remember, Nancy had insisted it had to be VERY bipartisan with OVERWHELMING public support. "Half" isn't overwhelming.

    However it’s also no secret that more evidence is available that may or may not convince others.
    And, had the House developed this "more evidence", perhaps the House's vote would have been far less partisan, and public support would have been more than merely "half". But they were in SUCH A HURRY.... to then sit on the AoI for a month.

    The only thing preventing the senate from hearing more evidence seems to be vindictiveness despite the polls showing 70% of the population wanting to hear it.
    Vindictiveness? Isn't that rather presumptuous? You mean the Senate is being extremely partisan just like the House? Was the House, therefore, "vindictive"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Whoops... Democrats may have stepped in it. As part of the arguments today, House manager Sylvia Garcia introduced into evidence the actions of both Joe and Hunter, saying that neither of them did anything wrong, and therefore any request by President Trump to have them investigated was illegitimate. This means that the Biden's are now fair game if the defense wants to call them as witnesses to counter the prosecution's claims.

    https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2020...-senate-trial/
    Yeah, it's always fun when one side accidentally enters something into testimony that the other side otherwise would not be able to counter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Saying "overwhelming" enough times doesn't necessarily make something overwhelming.



    On an incredibly partisan basis, the ONLY bipartisanship being Democrats voting against...



    Remember, Nancy had insisted it had to be VERY bipartisan with OVERWHELMING public support. "Half" isn't overwhelming.



    And, had the House developed this "more evidence", perhaps the House's vote would have been far less partisan, and public support would have been more than merely "half". But they were in SUCH A HURRY.... to then sit on the AoI for a month.



    Vindictiveness? Isn't that rather presumptuous? You mean the Senate is being extremely partisan just like the House? Was the House, therefore, "vindictive"?
    The evidence is overwhelming for legal purposes.

    https://medium.com/@legalscholarsoni...s-6c18b5b6d116

    Link is a letter by legal scholars stating words to that effect with numerous signatures. There was less evidence in US v Shabani https://casetext.com/case/us-v-shabani which resulted in a criminal conviction.

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    It's not about the quantity of evidence, it's about the quality, and hearsay and office rumors do not a compelling case make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    The evidence is overwhelming for legal purposes.

    https://medium.com/@legalscholarsoni...s-6c18b5b6d116

    Link is a letter by legal scholars stating words to that effect with numerous signatures. There was less evidence in US v Shabani https://casetext.com/case/us-v-shabani which resulted in a criminal conviction.
    You realize, don't you, that this "overwhelming evidence" has to convince the Republicans in the Senate, yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    It's not about the quantity of evidence, it's about the quality, and hearsay and office rumors do not a compelling case make.
    You didn't even watch the trial did you, MM? The evidence was overwhelming, and everyone in that Senate knows it. I suspect you know it as well, which makes you complicit with the treasonous Trump. Hopefully you're just dumb as a rock, but I don't think that's it, is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    You realize, don't you, that this "overwhelming evidence" has to convince the Republicans in the Senate, yes?
    What is it you're trying to say about these Republican Senators, CP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    You realize, don't you, that this "overwhelming evidence" has to convince the Republicans in the Senate, yes?
    No it doesn't. It has to convince people like you so that the republican senators will not alienate Trump supporters at the ballot box and lose their seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    You realize, don't you, that this "overwhelming evidence" has to convince the Republicans in the Senate, yes?
    Well ‘overwhelming evidence’ is based on the legal civil standard. Many judges have come out and said they have had criminal convictions on less compelling evidence than what the house presented so stating that there is ‘overwhelming evidence’ is clearly not an overstatement. Common law predominantly has an adversarial system of law which is basically which sides story do you believe.

    The two stories are the only options one can choose from. Based on the evidence presented which story is more credible? That’s the legal standard. Then the required standard of proof asks how much is one story more credible than the other? Lowest is being just slightly more credible while the highest is so credible that the other story is extremely unlikely.

    Whether the legal standard convinces senate republicans or not is another matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    You didn't even watch the trial did you, MM? The evidence was overwhelming, and everyone in that Senate knows it. I suspect you know it as well, which makes you complicit with the treasonous Trump. Hopefully you're just dumb as a rock, but I don't think that's it, is it?
    This coming from someone still deep in the throes of the terminally discredited collusion delusion.

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