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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    I thought that the mangy pirate demonstrated that Australia was a myth.
    It is. Come on, giant rats that hop like rabbits and carry their babies in a pocket? On the bottom of the Earth? They would just hop right off into space. REEEEEEEdiculous.

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    • Originally posted by Watermelon View Post
      If the person who made the statement is also testifying then yes it’s not hearsay but useless nonetheless since the original maker of the statement is testifying anyway.

      You claimed that Bob could testify about anything Billy had previously told him which isn’t true. Bob could do that if Billy was testifying but that means that statement would have virtually zero probative value and if Billy is the defendant then he cant be compelled to testify which would then make it hearsay.

      At least you’d now agree that Sondland testifying that Trump told him he wanted no quid pro quo would be inadmissible as hearsay.
      Watermelon are you basing you views on U.S. law or are you actually living in a out side the U.S. like Canada, the United Kingdom, Australia, or New Zealand, Your understanding of "Presumption of Innocence" seems to match the standards set by those countries better then it fits what we have here in the U.S. and your citation was from British Law rather then U.S. law. As we have told Tazz the standards of law in other countries does not work here especially in the case of proving Innocence and Guilt. Without a real understanding of the standards required in U.S. Law you don't have much standing talking about it here.

      The "Presumption of Innocence" is one of the center pieces of U.S. Law we've been through this before with Tazz and he still does not get it. You seem to just Ignore it exist or is even relevant, but It's not. In the U.S. the Prosecution need to prove Guilt the Defendant only needs to either dispute the evidence, or show that there is a legitimate motive for the act.

      In the case of Trump asking for an investigation of the Bidens, the legitimate reason to ask was that there was plenty of Probable Cause for an investigation, "Presumption of Innocence" in the U.S. says that we must presume that the legitimate motive was the accrual motive, unless you can prove "beyond a resalable doubt" that the motive was because Uncle Joe was Running for President. The fact that Uncle Joe was running for President in itself is irrelevant on it own, because there is a legitimate motive to ask, over rides any assumption of an ulterior motive.

      I have still not seen any actual evidence to prove Trump motive was anything other then legitimate.
      I have also not seen any actual evidence that Trump Bribed, Extorted, or even demanded a Quid Pro Quo.
      Under "Presumption of Innocence" the Defendant does not have to prove his Innocence, the Prosecution needs to Prove Guilt, Without valid evidence to prove Guilt, Innocence is the default.
      "Any sufficiently advanced technology, is indistinguishable from Magic!"
      -- Arthur C. Clark

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      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        Do Australian courts not presume innocence?

        Well, it certainly explains the disconnect. I kept thinking maybe he was just a bad lawyer, but perhaps he's a good one in Australia.
        If they are closer to British Law the standards are different. I believe that the standards for evidence is different also.
        "Any sufficiently advanced technology, is indistinguishable from Magic!"
        -- Arthur C. Clark

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