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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Morals and ethics evolve and vary to a degree from culture to culture over time. There have been times when slavery was the norm in predominantly Christian societies and times when racial discrimination was the norm – in the majority Christian Deep Southern states for example. And there have been times when such beliefs were anathema among Christians and society in general.
    More bigoted nonsense. Most societies for most of history accepted or practiced slavery. Christian or otherwise. And it was Christians who put an end to it in the West, even though it is still practiced in non-christian nations today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    More bigoted nonsense. Most societies for most of history accepted or practiced slavery. Christian or otherwise.
    Precisely my point. Most societies for most of history DID accept or practice slavery. “Christian or otherwise”.

    And it was Christians who put an end to it in the West,
    No, it was said societies, “Christian and otherwise” that put an end to it in the West. Although, with considerable resistance in the USA by Christians in the deep south - along with the Jim Crow apartheid Laws. Apartheid was similarly maintained by the Dutch Reform Church in South Africa until relatively recently.

    even though it is still practiced in non-christian nations today.
    But it is NOT practiced by ANY of the non-religious secular nations of the West today such as the highly-developed Scandinavian countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    No, it was said societies, “Christian and otherwise” that put an end to it in the West. Although, with considerable resistance in the USA by Christians in the deep south - along with the Jim Crow apartheid Laws. Apartheid was similarly maintained by the Dutch Reform Church in South Africa until relatively recently.
    No, in the West it was Christians who lead the abolition movements - period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    No, in the West it was Christians who lead the abolition movements - period.
    This assertion is demonstrably wrong. Christians have a long history of reading the bible so that virtually any perspective on current issues will find some support in the bible. This has been true of slavery and racial discrimination for centuries in the US southern states and elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    This assertion is demonstrably wrong. Christians have a long history of reading the bible so that virtually any perspective on current issues will find some support in the bible. This has been true of slavery and racial discrimination for centuries in the US southern states and elsewhere.
    What is untrue Tass? That Christians lead the abolition movement in the West? Are you joking, or just dishonest?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    What is untrue Tass? That Christians lead the abolition movement in the West? Are you joking, or just dishonest?
    SOME Christians were at the forefront of the abolition movement in the West, some were not, e.g. in the US deep south and with the apartheid of the Jim Crow laws. So, your blanket assertion that “Christians lead the abolition movement in the West” is factually wrong. Christians, as they have throughout history, merely reflected the divergent social values of the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    SOME Christians were at the forefront of the abolition movement in the West, some were not, e.g. in the US deep south and with the apartheid of the Jim Crow laws. So, your blanket assertion that “Christians lead the abolition movement in the West” is factually wrong. Christians, as they have throughout history, merely reflected the divergent social values of the day.
    No it is not factually wrong, if Christians did not lead the abolition movement in the West - who did - be exact...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    SOME Christians were at the forefront of the abolition movement in the West, some were not, e.g. in the US deep south and with the apartheid of the Jim Crow laws. So, your blanket assertion that “Christians lead the abolition movement in the West” is factually wrong. Christians, as they have throughout history, merely reflected the divergent social values of the day.
    He didn't say all or every Christian and yet the fact remains that it was Christians who led the abolition movement. It is no coincidence that slavery was abolished in areas where Christianity held sway while still being acceptable in parts of the world where it didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    He didn't say all or every Christian and yet the fact remains that it was Christians who led the abolition movement. It is no coincidence that slavery was abolished in areas where Christianity held sway while still being acceptable in parts of the world where it didn't.
    If you are going to argue that Christians led the abolition movement then you must also argue that Christians led the slavery “movement” and maintained the Jim Crow laws well into the 20th century. Christianity has always reflected the social values of the day and these values evolve and vary to a degree from culture to culture over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    And it was largely Christians who ended those things.
    What do you mean by "largely"? The civil rights movement was a motley collection of various ideologies. MLK did not just emerge, he was selected to be the point, the public face of the civil rights movement. His qualities of being good looking and articulate, a Protestant Christian pastor, charismatic, etc. all led to his his being chosen. The events of the civil rights movement were largely orchestrated, the legal challenges were selected for their utility, the events and mass demonstration were for public consumption.

    The casket of Emett Till was kept open because of its shock value. The Greensboro sit in by the A and T Four was staged, they did not sit down for so long because they wanted lunch.
    The NAACP was distrusted by many, including the FBI, as a communist front because many communists were drawn to civil rights.

    The resistance to civil rights was dominated by Christians and those allied with Christianity.

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