Morally Wrong Behavior vs. What the Civil Government Should Prohibit

[Tassman]

Infidels and libtards are dishonest interlocutors who have no interest in what the Bible teaches about slavery, except to the extent that they can try to weaponize it against believers.

Regardless what the bible may or may not say about slavery the majority of Christians supported slavery and racism for most of Christian history.

[shunyadragon]

What are you talking about?!?!?!?!

ctually no Revelation is progressive. Your avoiding the biggy, Why did the Bible and the Quran did not forbid slavery, which shots down your argument.?.

If you believe the Bible is the standard today you should believe slavery is moral and ethical

[seer]

You said:Bondage (e.g. slavery) or social discrimination is not conducive to the cohesion of society as a whole...

That is just false, China is the perfect example...

No Tass, you already agree that Christians do not necessarily follow the mores of the day.

And you cannot make the argument that biblical values are objectively better or more correct. The bible can be made to reinforce what the society of the day believes at any given period of history.

The point is Tass, in my worldview universal moral truths exist, even if we misunderstand them at times. That option is not open to you.

Some did. Whereas the majority of Christians supported slavery and racism for most of Christian history.

There you go with your lies again. Prove that the majority of Christians supported slavery and racism for most of Christian history. Or shut up...

[seer]

What are you talking about?!?!?!?!

ctually no Revelation is progressive. Your avoiding the biggy, Why did the Bible and the Quran did not forbid slavery, which shots down your argument.?.

If you believe the Bible is the standard today you should believe slavery is moral and ethical

You did not answer my question Shuny - was it immoral for the Bab to own a slave? And according to you the Bible and the Quran did not forbid slavery because God did not want to end slavery then.

[MaxVel]

IT remains a fact that your ignoring the elephant in the room. There is absolutely no spiritual teaching in the Bible that forbids slavery,

Rubbish.


(1) Define exactly what you mean by 'slavery'

(2) Cite all the Bible passages that mention slavery and show that none of them forbid it.


Be aware that a whole range of statuses and social practices are covered by our translation of ANE concepts with the English word 'slavery'.

[shunyadragon]

Infidels and libtards are dishonest interlocutors who have no interest in what the Bible teaches about slavery, except to the extent that they can try to weaponize it against believers.

The scriptures are the factual basis for the evidence of the history of slavery in early Judaism, and Christianity throughout history up until at least until the late 19th century. Name calling and trying to rewrite history does not help your case.

[Jim B.]

Infidels and libtards are dishonest interlocutors who have no interest in what the Bible teaches about slavery, except to the extent that they can try to weaponize it against believers.

There are 'libtard' believers, believe it or not.

[Tassman]

You said:Bondage (e.g. slavery) or social discrimination is not conducive to the cohesion of society as a whole...

That is just false, China is the perfect example...

No Tass, you already agree that Christians do not necessarily follow the mores of the day.

The point is Tass, in my worldview universal moral truths exist, even if we misunderstand them at times. That option is not open to you.

In your worldview "universal moral truths" vary from era to era. And the bible demonstrably can be made to reinforce what the society of the day believes at any given period of history.

There you go with your lies again. Prove that the majority of Christians supported slavery and racism for most of Christian history. Or shut up...

The mere existence of slavery in majority Christian countries for so many centuries is sufficient proof given that the legislatures of these countries were under the control of Christians. Most Christians merely accepted slavery as a fact of life. And in parts of the US and elsewhere its abolition and the abolition of racial discrimination was actively resisted by Christians - including by the Southern states of the US.

[seer]

Again Tass yousaid that bondage was not conducive to social cohesion And that is false.



Then stop making the claim!

In your worldview "universal moral truths" vary from era to era. And the bible demonstrably can be made to reinforce what the society of the day believes at any given period of history.

Really? Tell me what the early Christians believed that I don't - be specific.

The mere existence of slavery in majority Christian countries for so many centuries is sufficient proof given that the legislatures of these countries were under the control of Christians. Most Christians merely accepted slavery as a fact of life. And in parts of the US and elsewhere its abolition and the abolition of racial discrimination was actively resisted by Christians - including by the Southern states of the US.

You have no idea what Christians generally believed throughout history. Besides it's not like slavery is an objective wrong in your world, just a cultural thing...

[seer]

The scriptures are the factual basis for the evidence of the history of slavery in early Judaism, and Christianity throughout history up until at least until the late 19th century. Name calling and trying to rewrite history does not help your case.

But according to you that is because God did not want to forbid slavery until your prophet came along. Blame God, not Judaism or Christianity...

[Rushing Jaws]

Out of all of the things that are morally wrong, how do you know what the civil government should prohibit? There is some overlap between the two, but they are not identical.

To judge this, is one of the tasks of the virtue of prudence.

[Tassman]

Again Tass yousaid that bondage was not conducive to social cohesion And that is false.

Already dealt with several times.

Then stop making the claim!

The claim stands. Namely, Christians follow the social mores of the day not the other way around.

Really? Tell me what the early Christians believed that I don't - be specific.

The emancipation of women, which is generally accepted today, was resisted by Christians for most of Christian history.

You have no idea what Christians generally believed throughout history.

Besides it's not like slavery is an objective wrong in your world, just a cultural thing...

[seer]

The claim stands. Namely, Christians follow the social mores of the day not the other way around.



The emancipation of women, which is generally accepted today, was resisted by Christians for most of Christian history.

First you say we follow the mores of the day then you say we resist the mores of the day like the emancipation of women.

[shunyadragon]

But according to you that is because God did not want to forbid slavery until your prophet came along. Blame God, not Judaism or Christianity...

The Baha'i Faith believes in progressive revelation already explained to you in the past.

Too many unanswered questions that you are dodging and not answering concerning slavery.

Your avoiding the biggy, the Bible and the Quran did not forbid slavery, which shots down your argument, and slavery was common if not prevalent in Christianity up until the 19th century. Stop trying to rewrite history to justify your agenda.

[seer]

The Baha'i Faith believes in progressive revelation already explained to you in the past.

Too many unanswered questions that you are dodging and not answering concerning slavery.

Your avoiding the biggy, the Bible and the Quran did not forbid slavery, which shots down your argument, and slavery was common if not prevalent in Christianity up until the 19th century. Stop trying to rewrite history to justify your agenda.

Idiot - according to your own religion the reason why Islam, Judaism or Christianity accepted slavery was because God never forbade slavery until your prophet came along. So blame God.... And I will ask again - was the Bab doing anything immoral by owning a slave? I'll be waiting for your answer.