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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Out of all of the things that are morally wrong, how do you know what the civil government should prohibit? There is some overlap between the two, but they are not identical.
    I think it has to do with what's perceived to be a 'public good' or in the 'public interest' as opposed to what's a private good or mainly a private matter. So the boundary line is somewhat fluid and will change with time. For instance, homosexuality was once viewed as a matter of public morality and public decency and society thought it had a compelling interest in controlling it. With time it came to be seen as a private matter between consenting adults. A lot of it has to do with changing opinions about factual matters; for instance that homosexuality came to be seen factually in a different light, less as a deliberate moral choice or set of choices and more as a biological pre-disposition, at least among males.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    What do you think about the idea that all nations should enforce all of the penal sanctions that are in the Old Testament? How would you respond to those who hold that view?
    In general, I am not totally averse to corporal punishments, including mutilation -- things the PC pansies would view as "cruel and unusual."

    In regard to the specific question, all the OT laws were directly tied to the Old Covenant, which specifically belonged to Israel. Part of their intent was to mark them as the People of YHWH. In that sense, directly applying them to other nations would not be appropriate.

    As a corollary, I am skeptical of the practice of dividing the Law into categories -- Civil, Religious, etc. Those categories are derived, not spelled out, and I don't think the boundaries are sharp and well defined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    No easy answers. Yet we generally have a consensus that things that do physical harm or defraud or things like stealing should be prohibit. When I was growing up though things like adultery, fornication, homosexuality were against the law, even felonies. You could not open a business on Sunday or hunt.
    . . . and forced racial segregation, separate and unequal, and racial profiling were the rule of law in America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    . . . and forced racial segregation, separate and unequal, and racial profiling were the rule of law in America.
    So?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    So?
    SO, "forced racial segregation, separate and unequal, and racial profiling were the rule of law in America" as imposed by Christians, who comprised the vast majority of the population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    SO, "forced racial segregation, separate and unequal, and racial profiling were the rule of law in America" as imposed by Christians, who comprised the vast majority of the population.
    And it was largely Christians who ended those things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    And it was largely Christians who ended those things.
    They were ended only after several centuries as the social values that accepted them changed. Morals and ethics evolve and vary to a degree from culture to culture over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    They were ended only after several centuries as the social values that accepted them changed. Morals and ethics evolve and vary to a degree from culture to culture over time.
    Nonsense Tass, there were very early Christians that were against slavery and the reason what it changed in the West was directly because of Christians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim B. View Post
    I think it has to do with what's perceived to be a 'public good' or in the 'public interest' as opposed to what's a private good or mainly a private matter. So the boundary line is somewhat fluid and will change with time. For instance, homosexuality was once viewed as a matter of public morality and public decency and society thought it had a compelling interest in controlling it. With time it came to be seen as a private matter between consenting adults. A lot of it has to do with changing opinions about factual matters; for instance that homosexuality came to be seen factually in a different light, less as a deliberate moral choice or set of choices and more as a biological pre-disposition, at least among males.
    Can it be deduced from the Bible what the civil government should consider to be a public good or public interest and a private good or private matter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Nonsense Tass, there were very early Christians that were against slavery and the reason what it changed in the West was directly because of Christians.
    Morals and ethics evolve and vary to a degree from culture to culture over time. There have been times when slavery was the norm in predominantly Christian societies and times when racial discrimination was the norm – in the majority Christian Deep Southern states for example. And there have been times when such beliefs were anathema among Christians and society in general.
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