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Here in the Philosophy forum we will talk about all the "why" questions. We'll have conversations about the way in which philosophy and theology and religion interact with each other. Metaphysics, ontology, origins, truth? They're all fair game so jump right in and have some fun! But remember...play nice!
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Morally Wrong Behavior vs. What the Civil Government Should Prohibit
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo, I did not. I said that “treating women like chattel” undermines today’s social values.”
Yes, but you are making a moral judgment about humans acting on these instincts. Why?
Then you said:
Morality is not just the purview of religion. Morality is the product of evolution, it lends itself to our survival as a species.
And that is just silly, primates survive just fine with forced sex, and cultures where women are treated like property (past and present) survive just fine. So your whole argument as to why treating women like chattel is immoral is bunk.
It has to do with the illegality of “state bans on same-sex marriage and on recognizing same-sex marriages duly performed in other jurisdictions are unconstitutional under the due process and equal protection clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution”. The intent of the Civil Rights Act is the same.
You could NOT legally turn anyone away on the basis of discrimination against their religion (e.g. Jewish or Muslim) or the color of their skin (e.g. black or brown) or because you disapproved of their marital status (e.g. interracial or homosexual). Does your deity really approve of such small-minded bigotry being labeled as “free exercise of religion”?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, what is it that makes rape or murder wrong? Is it wrong simply because god arbitrarily deems it to be wrong, or is there reason behind gods moral law?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim, God's moral laws are not arbitrary, they are based on His immutable moral character (we have been through this before). Where man's laws are arbitrary since his nature is morally fickle as are his moral goals and reasons.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIn other words is that which is good only good because it eminates from god?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAnd being that god is good, and that the good eminates from god as law, is god bound by the same moral laws?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNot necessarily, for instance God could never steal or be guilty of stealing because everything belongs to Him. But we could be guilty of theft.Last edited by JimL; 03-13-2020, 07:39 PM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostBut you claimed morality is the inherent nature of gods immutable charactor, but now you're saying that morality doesn't apply to god.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim, I just gave one example - what do you take exception to? If God owns everything how could He be accused of stealing?Last edited by JimL; 03-13-2020, 08:16 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Tass, we were speaking of rape (human and animal)
And that is just silly, primates survive just fine with forced sex, and cultures where women are treated like property (past and present) survive just fine. So your whole argument as to why treating women like chattel is immoral is bunk.
Tass, there is no "intent" to restrict discrimination based on sexual orientation or behavior Civil Rights Act, period.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by seer View PostNope, not in a godless universe where moral relativism is the case.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, just so long as you own a human being, slashing them to death is good? Causing suffering is good? Sorry seer, but that kind of moral character has nothing to do with goodness. What you're talking about is obedience and power, not morality.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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