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    Waterboard This...

    Sticking to his guns...

    CIA psychologist defends torture before Guantanamo court

    Washington (AFP) - A psychologist who helped design the CIA's "war on terror" torture program after the September 11, 2001 attacks defended the program this week before its victims at the US military prison in Guantanamo, Cuba.

    James Mitchell was unapologetic Tuesday when he appeared at a hearing to answer questions about the waterboarding, stress position and sleep deprivation techniques applied to 9/11 plot suspects detained in secret prisons following the attacks.

    "I'd get up today and do it again," he said before five of those men, whose slow-moving cases at the Guantanamo military tribunals have them facing possible death sentences.

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    It's ridiculous that the trials are taking this long. I know that the Constitutional right to a speedy trial doesn't technically apply to these people, but at some point they need to get on with it.
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    It's a shame we don't have the torture tapes the CIA destroyed.
    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Sticking to his guns...
    A devoted follower of Heinrich Luitpold Himmler: "It is the curse of the great to walk over corpses"
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    But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    A devoted follower of Heinrich Luitpold Himmler: "It is the curse of the great to walk over corpses"
    How many bodies has the use of waterboarding produced since it's use after 9/11?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    How many bodies has the use of waterboarding produced since it's use after 9/11?
    None. It has not turned persons into corpses. But is that the only criteria?

    The quote attributed to Himmler reflects an attitude in which relegates moral choices to a lower plane, an type of end justifies the means argument. The quote is not about just lifeless and soul less bodies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    None. It has not turned persons into corpses. But is that the only criteria?
    That is the criteria raised by shuny in citing that particular quote, hence the question.

    The point being that strained comparisons like that don't serve much useful purpose

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    That is the criteria raised by shuny in citing that particular quote, hence the question.

    The point being that strained comparisons like that don't serve much useful purpose
    Not surprising that you dropped off the second paragraph.

    The quote was less about producing dead bodies, but participating in evil to accomplish a desirable goal (which is NOT a justification of atrocities). It was about morality. The Nazis recognized the inherent immorality of their program, which is why they appealed to a type of strength which could rise above and transcend the traditions of western and Christian morality. Which is part of why they saw Christianity as weak.

    Torture is difficult to justify and to set boundaries on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simplicio View Post
    Not surprising that you dropped off the second paragraph.
    Because it wasn't dealing with what I was responding to or saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    How many bodies has the use of waterboarding produced since it's use after 9/11?
    Such tortures were the to tools of Himmler.

    It 's the philosophy that I am referring to, actually the number of bodies cannot be directly counted when they used immoral and illegal methods of torture radicalized Muslims at Guantanamo.
    Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-24-2020 at 06:49 PM.
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