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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostOh mean when the Democrats did no actual subpoenas and refused to allow the administrations lawyers to be present when those from the Administration they wanted to interrogate? Then showed they were to afraid to go through the court system to try and force this true obstruction of JUSTICE they tried to pull? Jiml stop letting others do your thinking for you look at all the facts not just those from the MSM and Democrats
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI just want to differentiate between the "subpoenas" issued by Schiff and his gang from those issued by other committees including AFAICT Nadler's. The latter seem to be fully legitimate but Schiff's had no legal standing which is why he dropped them like a hot potato the moment that Charles Kupperman asked the courts for guidance in the conflicting demands of Executive Privilege and his subpoenas.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post...they tried and were blocked by the president during the impeachment hearings...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI just want to differentiate between the "subpoenas" issued by Schiff and his gang from those issued by other committees including AFAICT Nadler's. The latter seem to be fully legitimate but Schiff's had no legal standing which is why he dropped them like a hot potato the moment that Charles Kupperman asked the courts for guidance in the conflicting demands of Executive Privilege and his subpoenas.
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostI stand corrected but Nadler also did not go to the courts I wonder why is it because since he didn't want the Administration's lawyers to protect Executive Privilege and knew the courts would force him to allow them? Shows which party doesn't' care about the Constitution and is truly trying to Obstruct Justice.And it isn't the Republicans those of us who think for ourselves understand that.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRight, and the Democrats never bothered to argue it before a judge to prove they had the legal sufficiency and judicial authority to overcome executive privilege. Which, again, is not McConnell's problem. The defense only has to respond to the case that has actually been presented and not the case the prosecution could theoretically present if they had been more diligent during the fact-finding phase.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostNo executive privilege claimed, MM. How is it that you are all so misinformed?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRight, and the Democrats never bothered to argue it before a judge to prove they had the legal sufficiency and judicial authority to overcome executive privilege. Which, again, is not McConnell's problem. The defense only has to respond to the case that has actually been presented and not the case the prosecution could theoretically present if they had been more diligent during the fact-finding phase.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThey dropped them because they recognized the Presidents tactic of stonewalling, as is evident in the McGahn case, would take years. The McGahn case, though already ruled on in favor of Congress by Judge Jackson, will just be appealed and appealed all the way to the SCOTUS. You people know this, but hey, whatever it takes to soothe your conscience. Besides that, just to show that you know not of what you speak, the President never once claimed executive privilege, just an across the board denial of all supoenas of witnesses and documents.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostYes because no president, before Trump, ever stonewalled Congress!
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo president has ever defied the impeachment authority of congress by simply denying all subpoenas of all witnesses and all documents across the board without reason of executive privilege. But what you neglect to concern yourself with is that in abusing his power in that manner the president, basically vanquishing congressional oversight, for so long as he remains in office, virtually becomes king."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostJimmy, Nixon and Clinton had to be compelled by the courts in their impeachment hearings. Do you ever read history books Jimmy? Stonewalling Congress is a presidential tradition, but Democrats only care when it’s a Republican doing it. I can’t imagine why.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostLilpix, neither Nixon or Clinton refused to allow any one in their administration from testifying, you simply have no idea what you are blabbing about.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI just want to differentiate between the "subpoenas" issued by Schiff and his gang from those issued by other committees including AFAICT Nadler's. The latter seem to be fully legitimate but Schiff's had no legal standing which is why he dropped them like a hot potato the moment that Charles Kupperman asked the courts for guidance in the conflicting demands of Executive Privilege and his subpoenas.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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