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    FISA court says Carter Page warrant invalid

    The FISA court officially acknowledged Thursday that the FBI submitted false information when obtaining warrants to surveil Trump campaign aide Carter Page. Therefore, the FISA warrants that were issued are invalid.

    "Thanks in large part to the work of the Office of the Inspector General, U.S. Department of Justice, the Court has received notice of material misstatements and omissions in the applications filed by the government in the above-captioned dockets. See Docket No. Misc. 19-02, Order (Dec. 17, 2019; DOJ PIG, Review of Four FISA Applications and Other Aspects of the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane Investigation (Dec. 2019)," the court released in an order. "DOJ assesses that with respect to the applications in Docket Numbers 17-375 and 170679, 'if not earlier, there was insufficient predication to establish probable cause to believe that [Carter] Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power.'"

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...valid-n2560007

    The FBI has agreed to “sequester” all information and evidence received as an outcome of all the FISA warrants issued against Carter Page. Meaning, all material, in any court proceeding or subsequent secondary warrant on another target, application, filing, motion, prosecution or downstream use of the information gathered and obtained; the FBI will now assemble all materials, from any location, that stemmed from the Carter Page FISA warrants.

    In essence, the FBI will now look and retrieve any evidence that stemmed as an outcome of the Carter Page FISA warrant. Some of this material *may* (perhaps likely) will be in the Special Counsel Mueller investigation.

    [ie. a proverbial search for the fruit of a poisonous tree. Where is it?]

    Once the sequestration has taken place, the DOJ will then be able to determine to the court what collateral impacts they have identified.

    The DOJ has yet to inform the court how exactly they plan to do this, or when they anticipate to have completed the task. However, the FBI has agreed to undertake this sequestration for ALL of the FISA applications, not just the two renewals they now admit are invalid.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...alid-warrants/

    I don't think the significance of this can be overstated. Since the warrants are valid for "two-hops", meaning everybody Page had contact with, and everybody who those people had contact with, we're talking hundreds and possibly thousands of emails, text messages, phonecalls, and other forms of communication, and any case or investigation in which they were used as evidence.

    This is huge.
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    That is an enormous amount of "fruit from the poison tree" that must be returned to the fruit stand.
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    It's not so much a poison tree as it is a poison orchard. I have a feeling there are a lot of defense lawyers looking carefully at past and present cases to see if their clients can benefit from this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    It's not so much a poison tree as it is a poison orchard.
    Well, yeah.

    I have a feeling there are a lot of defense lawyers looking carefully at past and present cases to see if their clients can benefit from this.
    Unfortunately, as often happens, some VERY BAD people may be set free because of malfeasance from the courts.
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    And, don't forget, this REALLY puts former Director James Comey and Deputy Director Andrew McCabe in a bad light, with their numerous egregious "mistakes", 100% of which worked against Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The FISA court officially acknowledged Thursday that the FBI submitted false information when obtaining warrants to surveil Trump campaign aide Carter Page. Therefore, the FISA warrants that were issued are invalid.

    "Thanks in large part to the work of the Office of the Inspector General, U.S. Department of Justice, the Court has received notice of material misstatements and omissions in the applications filed by the government in the above-captioned dockets. See Docket No. Misc. 19-02, Order (Dec. 17, 2019; DOJ PIG, Review of Four FISA Applications and Other Aspects of the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane Investigation (Dec. 2019)," the court released in an order. "DOJ assesses that with respect to the applications in Docket Numbers 17-375 and 170679, 'if not earlier, there was insufficient predication to establish probable cause to believe that [Carter] Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power.'"

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiep...valid-n2560007

    The FBI has agreed to “sequester” all information and evidence received as an outcome of all the FISA warrants issued against Carter Page. Meaning, all material, in any court proceeding or subsequent secondary warrant on another target, application, filing, motion, prosecution or downstream use of the information gathered and obtained; the FBI will now assemble all materials, from any location, that stemmed from the Carter Page FISA warrants.

    In essence, the FBI will now look and retrieve any evidence that stemmed as an outcome of the Carter Page FISA warrant. Some of this material *may* (perhaps likely) will be in the Special Counsel Mueller investigation.

    [ie. a proverbial search for the fruit of a poisonous tree. Where is it?]

    Once the sequestration has taken place, the DOJ will then be able to determine to the court what collateral impacts they have identified.

    The DOJ has yet to inform the court how exactly they plan to do this, or when they anticipate to have completed the task. However, the FBI has agreed to undertake this sequestration for ALL of the FISA applications, not just the two renewals they now admit are invalid.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...alid-warrants/

    I don't think the significance of this can be overstated. Since the warrants are valid for "two-hops", meaning everybody Page had contact with, and everybody who those people had contact with, we're talking hundreds and possibly thousands of emails, text messages, phonecalls, and other forms of communication, and any case or investigation in which they were used as evidence.

    This is huge.
    Huge, really? The corrupt Atty. Gen. already corruptly exonerated Trump. What do you think you're going to gain by this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Huge, really? The corrupt Atty. Gen. already corruptly exonerated Trump.
    You needed one more "corrupt" before "Trump".
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    I don't think his copy of "Liberal Talking Points For Dummies" prepared him for this, so he's winging it.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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    A couple of comments

    1) I fully support treating any information which was improperly collected as appropriate.
    2) Was there actually much information which came specifically from monitoring Page? Or is that speculation? This article says Page was exonerated by Mueller.
    3) Reread item 1).
    4) You guys are cheering that evidence of wrongdoing would be suppressed. That's a legal victory but not a moral one.
    5) Reread 1) one more time.

    But I'm happy to hear what evidence you think is covered by 2).

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