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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    4) You guys are cheering that evidence of wrongdoing would be suppressed. That's a legal victory but not a moral one...
    Does THIS look like "cheering"?

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    Unfortunately, as often happens, some VERY BAD people may be set free because of malfeasance from the courts.

    What kind of twisted mind do you have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Does THIS look like "cheering"?


    What kind of twisted mind do you have?
    I admit I missed that line from you.

    It's hard not to assume glee from MM, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    A couple of comments

    1) I fully support treating any information which was improperly collected as appropriate.
    2) Was there actually much information which came specifically from monitoring Page? Or is that speculation? This article says Page was exonerated by Mueller.
    3) Reread item 1).
    4) You guys are cheering that evidence of wrongdoing would be suppressed. That's a legal victory but not a moral one.
    5) Reread 1) one more time.

    But I'm happy to hear what evidence you think is covered by 2).
    I explained in the OP: these were "two hop" warrants covering a period of months and encompassing anybody Page contacted, and anybody those people contacted which could easily include hundreds of people and thousands of communications, and any cases or investigations arising from that illegally gathered evidence could end up being struck down. That includes the Mueller investigation and anything that spun off from it. Remember Carter Page was THE predicate for the whole thing.

    As I said, the significance of this can not be overstated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    It's hard not to assume glee from MM, however.
    And you would be wrong.
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    How much of the Mueller report just went up in smoke?
    Trump is basically "Bruce Wayne pretending to be a foppish retarded billionaire" tier genius, in case nerds need a simpler metaphor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    You needed one more "corrupt" before "Trump".
    Good point, CP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I explained in the OP: these were "two hop" warrants covering a period of months and encompassing anybody Page contacted, and anybody those people contacted which could easily include hundreds of people and thousands of communications, and any cases or investigations arising from that illegally gathered evidence could end up being struck down. That includes the Mueller investigation and anything that spun off from it. Remember Carter Page was THE predicate for the whole thing.

    As I said, the significance of this can not be overstated.
    No, Carter Page didn't initiate the ivestigation, Papadopoulos did. Besides that, the FISA findings don't change anything in the Mueller report.

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    Wow, Jimmy, this one really seems to have caught you off guard. You seem even more uninformed than usual which I didn't know was possible.

    Interestingly this timeline and DOJ admission would include the Mueller investigation use of any FISA derived material or evidence when it began May 17, 2017; that is, if the Mueller probe used the Carter Page FISA evidence for any derivative warrant therein.

    It seems likely the Mueller probe did use the Page warrant, as former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe and former DOJ Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein authorized the June 29, 2017, final renewal AFTER the special counsel was in place. That renewal has been admitted as invalid. There could be considerable consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    No, Carter Page didn't initiate the ivestigation...
    This is a hot mess. Remember, IG Horowitz said he only found evidence of a FISA warrant against Carter Page, no other Trump campaign or Trump administration official was investigated using a FISA application. That statement is a little more important now.

    As I go back through my notes seeing if I can identify the downstream consequences impacted by a rather stunning sequestration effort, I find myself wondering if the HJC case(s) for 6(e) material and Don McGahn testimony might even be part of the pull-back material as a derivative of the special counsel probe’ use of the Carter Page Title-1 surveillance warrant. After all, there had to be an investigative reason for Mueller to want the renewal on June 29, 2017, long after Carter Page was gone from the Trump orbit.

    Remember, the special counsel team used some form of pre-existing warrant authority to capture all of the Trump transition team emails and communication from the GSA, and then lied about it to the Trump White House. Perhaps National Security Letters (NSL’s).

    The DOJ/FBI previously agreed to “sequester” all information and evidence received as an outcome of all four FISA warrants issued against Carter Page. Meaning, all material, in any court proceeding or subsequent secondary warrant on another target, application, filing, motion, prosecution or downstream use of the information gathered and obtained.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...-february-5th/

    Jimmy, I really don't think you appreciate just how big of a deal this really is.
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    But will anyone be reprimanded? Nah, the FBI will announce that they're doing a self-inspection and assure us that reform is in order and it will never happen again. And Trump and the DoJ will bow down and accept that assurance.
    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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