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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Christians exchanging Christianity for progressivism and active persecution are two distinct things. Probably both will happen, most churches will become useless and the remaining faithful will be persecuted.
    I don't see that happening unless the constitution is utterly abolished, at least not on a governmental level. Not saying it's impossible, as we're certainly seeing glimpses of that here and there. But for the most part, the constitution is holding firm against this. On the other hand, I can definitely see Christians bending to the pressure of pop culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    It's bath with both of them, traditional or liberal. They'll talk your ear off about Grundtvig and Kirkegaard, and will spend an entire sermon talking about common human experiences, and art, and various poems, before finally mentioning Christ almost as an off hand remark. Sat through scores of sermons like that till I nearly puked.

    You have to get out into various small independent Lutheran churches to find Christians with any real zest in them.

    I joined a minority Catholic Church headed by some common sense poles, and I haven't looked back.
    I've been through too many of those sermons myself. God is just an off handed comment or brought in because it's church and we sortta have to mention Him.

    I think I'm going to have to look at the smaller and probably non-white churches to find where God is still believed in.

    I'm almost ready to try an Eastern Orthodoxy church but I'm afraid that's a no go with my wife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    Sometime as President Obama's administration progressed, I saw a storm coming. It was just small clouds off in the distance but they were there. Unfortunately it's too far back for me to recall what events prompted me to preceive this.

    Over the years, the clouds have thickened and darkened and now I'm beginning to feel a cold wind. The storm is approaching although I can not say how soon it will hit. I'm certainly not ready for it.

    A genuine persecution of Christians is coming to America. Our churches are not ready because the church leaders probably don't believe it's coming. Their self-help, life counsel, and encouragement ministries aren't strong enough to withstand what is coming. The church goal has become making the members feel comfortable and safe. They can't believe they will ever be persecuted.

    Will the storm arrive tomorrow? Nah. Will the storm arrive next month? Probably not. Will the storm arrive next year? There's a chance. Will the storm arrive in five years? More likely. One thing I've learned is when I see these things, it's not immediate fulfillment. Give it some time before you call me wrong.

    (Yeah, this is not my normal style. I've been thinking about this for awhile but I have no idea why it came out this way.)
    Could it be a great chastisement coming?

    One lesson of the Old Testament is that chastisments can be used to correct sin among the people of G-d, the sin and error is not always just in the secular world outside the church. I wonder how many pictures circulated within American churches of the White House set in a watermelon patch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    I'm almost ready to try an Eastern Orthodoxy church but I'm afraid that's a no go with my wife.
    That's always a concern for married (prospective) converts. We're receiving a guy on Sunday whose wife started out adamantly opposed, but has since been asking him questions. We also have a family which converted several years ago except for the father, who often comes to church but doesn't seem especially interested in becoming Orthodox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    I don't see that happening unless the constitution is utterly abolished, at least not on a governmental level. Not saying it's impossible, as we're certainly seeing glimpses of that here and there. But for the most part, the constitution is holding firm against this. On the other hand, I can definitely see Christians bending to the pressure of pop culture.
    I wish I had your faith in the Constitution. Frankly I think there's a group of lawyers working on away around those restrictions right now. They may be just waiting for the right case or a more favorable Supreme Court. Also there's all these Human Right commissions that seem to take the attitude of religious rights are less important than other rights.

    Ultimately they won't get us because we're religious. We'll be gotten because we're part of a criminal organization that deserves to be wiped out. (The easiest example: any organization that persistently shelters pedophiles is a criminal conspiracy that should be disbanded.)

    By the way, I'm religious and not Christian because I think it will start with Christianity but will spread to cover other faiths eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Christians exchanging Christianity for progressivism and active persecution are two distinct things. Probably both will happen, most churches will become useless and the remaining faithful will be persecuted.
    Probably in the long term. I think the next few years is more and more churches will become useless and the remaining faithful will find it harder and harder to find other faithful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    I wish I had your faith in the Constitution. Frankly I think there's a group of lawyers working on away around those restrictions right now. They may be just waiting for the right case or a more favorable Supreme Court. Also there's all these Human Right commissions that seem to take the attitude of religious rights are less important than other rights.

    Ultimately they won't get us because we're religious. We'll be gotten because we're part of a criminal organization that deserves to be wiped out. (The easiest example: any organization that persistently shelters pedophiles is a criminal conspiracy that should be disbanded.)

    By the way, I'm religious and not Christian because I think it will start with Christianity but will spread to cover other faiths eventually.
    I have more faith in a rather large armed populace, most of which are diehard constitutionalists. There's definitely tension in the air about this issue, but if this populace perceives any type of drastic changes or modifications or violations to this in any way, that would spark a civil war. If that happens, well, then it's game over for this country, regardless of the outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    Probably in the long term. I think the next few years is more and more churches will become useless and the remaining faithful will find it harder and harder to find other faithful.
    In Luke 18:8, Jesus asks if the Son of Man will find faith when He returns. For a long time, I thought that was a rhetorical question to provoke discussion. And it may still be that way.

    Personnally for long time, I was undecided on the answer. In the past couple years, I've moved to an answer of "no."
    "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

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