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    The Coming Storm

    Sometime as President Obama's administration progressed, I saw a storm coming. It was just small clouds off in the distance but they were there. Unfortunately it's too far back for me to recall what events prompted me to preceive this.

    Over the years, the clouds have thickened and darkened and now I'm beginning to feel a cold wind. The storm is approaching although I can not say how soon it will hit. I'm certainly not ready for it.

    A genuine persecution of Christians is coming to America. Our churches are not ready because the church leaders probably don't believe it's coming. Their self-help, life counsel, and encouragement ministries aren't strong enough to withstand what is coming. The church goal has become making the members feel comfortable and safe. They can't believe they will ever be persecuted.

    Will the storm arrive tomorrow? Nah. Will the storm arrive next month? Probably not. Will the storm arrive next year? There's a chance. Will the storm arrive in five years? More likely. One thing I've learned is when I see these things, it's not immediate fulfillment. Give it some time before you call me wrong.

    (Yeah, this is not my normal style. I've been thinking about this for awhile but I have no idea why it came out this way.)
    "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

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    I've thought a lot about this myself, and I couldn't understand why American Christians have it so good, while all around the world Christians are being persecuted mercilessly. This is what I've concluded. I don't think the persecution is going to hit America like it is in the middle east. I think Christians in America will fall away instead. It may not even be a sudden thing, but very gradual. It might even be happening now. As political progressivism continues to take hold, more and more Christians will just concede to it or adjust their beliefs accordingly to avoid friction with it. Like a boiling frog type of thing. I could be wrong and we could see a sudden turn of events, but I don't think so because it's lagging to what's happening in the rest of the world.
    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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    Saltiness is lost, so there remains only trampling to come.

    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    It may not even be a sudden thing, but very gradual. It might even be happening now. As political progressivism continues to take hold, more and more Christians will just concede to it or adjust their beliefs accordingly to avoid friction with it. Like a boiling frog type of thing.
    Cases in point: supporting female preachers is no longer liberal, 'what's wrong with Beth Moore' simplicio, SBC embracing critical race theory, throwing Paige Patterson under the bus, and others.
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    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nationís political system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    I've thought a lot about this myself, and I couldn't understand why American Christians have it so good, while all around the world Christians are being persecuted mercilessly. This is what I've concluded. I don't think the persecution is going to hit America like it is in the middle east. I think Christians in America will fall away instead. It may not even be a sudden thing, but very gradual. It might even be happening now. As political progressivism continues to take hold, more and more Christians will just concede to it or adjust their beliefs accordingly to avoid friction with it. Like a boiling frog type of thing. I could be wrong and we could see a sudden turn of events, but I don't think so because it's lagging to what's happening in the rest of the world.
    I think you given a very good description of today. I agree right now, it's more Christians falling away. However, I think it will turn to become active persecution. I think as progressiveness progresses, more and more people will view government as god and will not tolerate rivals to their god. or at a minimum, a group that tells them that they are wrong.
    "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

    "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Saltiness is lost, so there remains only trampling to come.



    Cases in point: supporting female preachers is no longer liberal, 'what's wrong with Beth Moore' simplicio, SBC embracing critical race theory, throwing Paige Patterson under the bus, and others.
    What's even weirder is that (according to certain polls) political conservationism is growing among the youth, while religious belief is diminishing among the youth. To me this is even more firm evidence religious devotion is fading among conservatives. IOW, it's not necessarily that people are becoming progressive and thus less religious, they're becoming less religious regardless.
    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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    Right-wing politics is not necessarily coupled to religious faith.

    What we see is that Christianity in the US is becoming more progressive than Christian and in many cases a vehicle for progressivism, and some right wing reactionaries are going to dump faith.
    Last edited by demi-conservative; 01-26-2020 at 01:27 PM.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nationís political system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanD View Post
    I've thought a lot about this myself, and I couldn't understand why American Christians have it so good, while all around the world Christians are being persecuted mercilessly. This is what I've concluded. I don't think the persecution is going to hit America like it is in the middle east. I think Christians in America will fall away instead. It may not even be a sudden thing, but very gradual. It might even be happening now. As political progressivism continues to take hold, more and more Christians will just concede to it or adjust their beliefs accordingly to avoid friction with it. Like a boiling frog type of thing. I could be wrong and we could see a sudden turn of events, but I don't think so because it's lagging to what's happening in the rest of the world.
    This is precisely what happened in Denmark, and now most of our priests care more about existential philosophy and life counseling than Christ. We've even had more than one Lutheran priest declaring publicly that they don't believe in God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    This is precisely what happened in Denmark, and now most of our priests care more about existential philosophy and life counseling than Christ.
    They care about social justice more than Christ, no doubt.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nationís political system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    They care about social justice more than Christ, no doubt.
    It's bath with both of them, traditional or liberal. They'll talk your ear off about Grundtvig and Kirkegaard, and will spend an entire sermon talking about common human experiences, and art, and various poems, before finally mentioning Christ almost as an off hand remark. Sat through scores of sermons like that till I nearly puked.

    You have to get out into various small independent Lutheran churches to find Christians with any real zest in them.

    I joined a minority Catholic Church headed by some common sense poles, and I haven't looked back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    I agree right now, it's more Christians falling away. However, I think it will turn to become active persecution.
    Christians exchanging Christianity for progressivism and active persecution are two distinct things. Probably both will happen, most churches will become useless and the remaining faithful will be persecuted.
    . Bloomberg, by comparison, may be the candidate that most of the Founders hoped would arise: a wealthy patrician, much like them, who would use his vast resources and influence to defeat what he views as disruptive elements in the nationís political system.

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