Feel The Bern 2020

[Watermelon]

There are plenty of online betting sites equipped to take your money off you hands.

I'm not in the habit of ever betting money on anything.

[Starlight]

given what Project Veritas found out about the bernie staffers that would be the least of what they might do.

There's actually still people who believe things project veritas says rather than falling over laughing? Amazing.

[Starlight]

In case anyone missed the Biden last nail in the coffin...

Just so you understand how much zero effect this will have on the Dem primary, have a watch of how a pro-Bernie media outlet, hosted by two presenters who have both personally endorsed Bernie, presented this story:

Even pro-Bernie people aren't remotely interested in buying the lies Pam Bondi is selling, and are instead interested in pointing out that Pam Bondi and Trump are infamous for corruption and bribery they did together with regard to the Trump University scam.

[Starlight]

Obama and Hillary are set to denounce Bernie as a virtual communist

Seems like they'd like to, but seems unlikely they actually will. Both have taken very mild jabs in Bernie's general direction and then backed off them due to push-back. Hillary is so unpopular that her most recent jab at Bernie seems to have helped him.

which is going to sink his ship with moderates.

Very few people vote in primaries based on ideology. Polling shows that the vast majority of Dem primary voters do like Bernie, and do like his policies, and would be perfectly happy for him to become President. They've not against him due to being 'moderates' and viewing him as 'far left' or anything like that. In fact, the electorate as a whole seems to want 'change' in general - they voted for Obama when he promised 'hope and change' and then for Trump who promised to 'make America great again' - the electorate doesn't seem to be in the mood for a run of the mill centrist candidate and would prefer as much change as can be offered in general.

What polling shows with regard to non-Bernie voters is that they tend to be people who prioritize "will beat Trump" above all else. They have generally defaulted toward Biden because he has typically been the candidate that mainstream media has tended to assume / imply (without much in the way of evidence) would have the "best chance against Trump". This group of voters isn't against Bernie, and would be happy to vote for Bernie if someone convinced them he could beat Trump.

Interestingly current polling and the betting markets are suggesting that the mainstream media have been very wrong in their assumptions about who would beat Trump, and instead suggest that Bernie and Yang have the best chances against Trump in the current Dem field. The betting site I typically look at to see how the odds are going, today is giving Bernie 66% chance against Trump, and Biden 50% (and Yang ~70% but there's a lot of margin of error there due to low numbers and how the ratios work).

[rogue06]

There's actually still people who believe things project veritas says rather than falling over laughing? Amazing.

Yeah. They actually pay attention to the evidence that they present rather than mindlessly listening to what the left proclaims. Funny ain't it?

[rogue06]

Just so you understand how much zero effect this will have on the Dem primary, have a watch of how a pro-Bernie media outlet, hosted by two presenters who have both personally endorsed Bernie, presented this story:

Even pro-Bernie people aren't remotely interested in buying the lies Pam Bondi is selling, and are instead interested in pointing out that Pam Bondi and Trump are infamous for corruption and bribery they did together with regard to the Trump University scam.

The Young Turks. Where you learn everything you "know" about the U.S.

And y'all have the audacity to mock MM when he cites Breitbart.

[Tassman]

Yeah. They actually pay attention to the evidence that they present rather than mindlessly listening to what the left proclaims. Funny ain't it?

As opposed to "mindlessly" believing Trump's lies you mean?

[Starlight]

The Young Turks.

They're not my favorite source, but they're pretty good.

Usually I prefer The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder though, as he has more expertise about the history of US politics.

Where you learn everything you "know" about the U.S.

It's always amusing repeat something here a US source has said, and then see you lunatics respond by falling over yourselves declaring how what I'm saying proves that as a foreigner I know nothing about the US. I've long lost count of the number of times you've made utter fools of yourselves that way.

And y'all have the audacity to mock MM when he cites Breitbart.

Breitbart just plain makes up stuff to deceive the gullible, like project veritas, so yes.

[Sparko]

Bernie says bread lines are a "good thing!"

Go Socialism!

[MaxVel]

There's actually still people who believe things project veritas says rather than falling over laughing? Amazing.

Well, some people appear to still take your posts seriously, so it's not like extreme naivety is uncommon.

[Ronson]

Seems like they'd like to, but seems unlikely they actually will. Both have taken very mild jabs in Bernie's general direction and then backed off them due to push-back. Hillary is so unpopular that her most recent jab at Bernie seems to have helped him.

Obama allegedly said something in private that he would surface and recommend voters avoid Bernie. If nothing else, that will sway away the black vote and will likely sink Bernie's chances. Yeah, Hillary is generally unpopular but she is still valid among a lot of woman and moderate Democrat voters. She could do Bernie damage.

Very few people vote in primaries based on ideology. Polling shows that the vast majority of Dem primary voters do like Bernie, and do like his policies, and would be perfectly happy for him to become President. They've not against him due to being 'moderates' and viewing him as 'far left' or anything like that. In fact, the electorate as a whole seems to want 'change' in general - they voted for Obama when he promised 'hope and change' and then for Trump who promised to 'make America great again' - the electorate doesn't seem to be in the mood for a run of the mill centrist candidate and would prefer as much change as can be offered in general.

I have a neighbor who voted for Bernie in 2016 and will likely vote for him again. He's a nice guy but he's an idiot. He couldn't verbalize why he likes Bernie, other than he "likes him". A sad state of affairs.

What polling shows with regard to non-Bernie voters is that they tend to be people who prioritize "will beat Trump" above all else. They have generally defaulted toward Biden because he has typically been the candidate that mainstream media has tended to assume / imply (without much in the way of evidence) would have the "best chance against Trump". This group of voters isn't against Bernie, and would be happy to vote for Bernie if someone convinced them he could beat Trump.

Interestingly current polling and the betting markets are suggesting that the mainstream media have been very wrong in their assumptions about who would beat Trump, and instead suggest that Bernie and Yang have the best chances against Trump in the current Dem field. The betting site I typically look at to see how the odds are going, today is giving Bernie 66% chance against Trump, and Biden 50% (and Yang ~70% but there's a lot of margin of error there due to low numbers and how the ratios work).

I don't see Bernie or Biden coming out on top. I sense it will be Warren or one of the underdogs.

[Ronson]

Bernie says bread lines are a "good thing!"

Go Socialism!

Maduro looks like Saddam Hussein - especially with that cigar hanging out of his mouth.

[Sparko]

Maduro looks like Saddam Hussein - especially with that cigar hanging out of his mouth.

Yeah but look how happy his people are, eating out of trash cans and waiting in lines for days to get rotted food!

[Starlight]

Bernie says bread lines are a "good thing!"

Are you saying he's wrong and that it's actually bad to provide food to hungry people?

[Sparko]

Are you saying he's wrong and that it's actually bad to provide food to hungry people?

Socialism - Standing in a line for days for bare sustenance as opposed to capitalism where there ARE no food lines and you can actually go to the grocery store and have the choice to buy multiple brands of every item conceivable.

And those people in bread lines still have to resort to eating out of trash cans, while Maduro eats like a king?

Yeah, bread lines are actually a bad thing, Star.

There isn't supposed to be poor hungry people in socialism Star. Right? And no rich people either.