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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    You asked.



    There are valid reasons to diminish the honor of Obama's peace prize, beginning with the fact he himself said he hadn't earned it. But he accepted the prize in the spirit in which it was offered, aspirationally. Nobel Peace Prizes aren't just offered to those who make peace, like Jimmy Carter. They are also offered to those who make way for peace, like Yitzhak Rabin.
    I am not diminishing the prize. In fact, if Obama received the prize primarily because he was the first black US president, then he has full definitive claim to it. If it is diminished at all it is because it was bestowed for "not being Bush", which nearly the entire planet can claim. But aside from all the "nod-nod-wink-wink" asides, he did receive it for being the first black US president. Otherwise he should return it.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960

    Or for turning away from a posture of war.

    Mikhail Gorbachev received a peace prize for not being "My vas pokhoronim!" Barack Obama received his for not being "You're either with us, or against us." The obvious rationale for Obama's prize was a turn away from the "adventurist" wars of his predecessor, that being how the Germans termed them when they refused to lend support. Bush didn't start the fight in Afghanistan, and I won't blame him for that. He did start the fight in Iraq, though, and he based it on ever changing justifications, including a constant, risible linkage to 9/11.

    There were no WMDs beyond a few rotting remnants that couldn't even be excavated safely let alone be classed as ordnance.

    And he threatened to take the fight across the middle east until the facts on the ground showed how a slimmed down army couldn't hold Iraq, let alone expand the conquest into Iran, or Syria, or wherever else he might want to take it. His policy had exactly the consequences detailed by his father as reasons why he chose to leave Saddam in place.

    The Bush Doctrine included pre-emptive war as one of its three key pillars.

    The entire world heaved a collective sigh of relief when Bush the Lesser left office. The Nobel committee gave his successor a peace prize. The connection was obvious. Obama's race had nothing more to do with it than his species. If elected, Mickey Mouse would have won a nod from the Nobel committee.

    And yet, here you are, saying "They gave him a Peace Prize for doing nothing more than being black."

    And getting called out for the bigotry.

    And not understanding why.
    I understand why. It's a convenient label.

    That's a possibility, but not relevant here. In this case, I extended your admission of bigotry in the thread title, carefully avoiding any more onerous label. In response, you replaced your own label, bigotry, with a worse one, in order to use it as a rationale for dismissing criticism.
    That title was tongue-in-cheek. I am a Libertarian and I fully support every right extended to homosexuals that every American enjoys - but that doesn't mean I support one as president - because of the optics. It's called discernment, and employers use it all the time. Those on the left may deny they use it, but we all know better. It is human nature.

    I went searching for anyone making the argument Obama received the Nobel for being black. I found one reference in an over-the-top youtube video, and a man-on-the-street interview snippet inside a Reuters write-up.

    Hospital worker Itya Silverio, 33, of Brooklyn, said: ďMy first opinion is that he got it because heís black. What did he do that was so great? He hasnít even finished office yet.Ē

    That's not an argument, not even a statement, just an opinion. And, it's an opinion crying out for an argument if we're to take it seriously.
    Well, if Google doesn't support my assertion then I must be wrong. Google is never wrong. I mean, it's not like they use filters or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Why do you hate Jews, JimL?
    I don't, I hate corrupt leaders like Putin, Trump and Netanyahu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Doesn't mean that homosexuality is not an immutable characteristic of ones nature.
    Sure, there is evidence that the desire to rape is a biological characteristic - so?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Sure, there is evidence that the desire to rape is a biological characteristic - so?
    nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    I don't, I hate corrupt leaders like Putin, Trump and Netanyahu.
    So you hate our President, foreigners AND Jews?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    So you hate our President, foreigners AND Jews?
    NO troll, I hate corrupt leaders like Putin, Trump and Netanyahu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    nonsense.
    Exactly what is nonsense?

    Male Sexual Aggression: What Chimps Can Reveal About People

    Male chimpanzees that wage a campaign of sustained aggression against females sire more offspring than their less violent counterparts, new research finds.

    The results suggest that such nasty behavior from males evolved because it gave the meanest males a reproductive advantage, said study co-author Ian Gilby, a primatologist at Arizona State University in Phoenix.

    This chimpanzee behavior could also provide some insight into the roots of sexual aggression in men.

    "It is possible that in our early ancestors there may have been an adaptive value to male aggression against females," Gilby said.

    https://www.livescience.com/48743-ag...duce-more.html

    http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/rese...ryintothe.html

    Among scientists at the university of New Mexico that spring, rape was in the air. One of the professors, biologist Randy Thornhill, had just coauthored A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion, which argued that rape is (in the vernacular of evolutionary biology) an adaptation, a trait encoded by genes that confers an advantage on anyone who possesses them. Back in the late Pleistocene epoch 100,000 years ago, the 2000 book contended, men who carried rape genes had a reproductive and evolutionary edge over men who did not: they sired children not only with willing mates, but also with unwilling ones, allowing them to leave more offspring (also carrying rape genes) who were similarly more likely to survive and reproduce, unto the nth generation. That would be us. And that is why we carry rape genes today. The family trees of prehistoric men lacking rape genes petered out.

    https://www.newsweek.com/can-we-blam...ge-genes-80349
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    NO troll, I hate corrupt leaders like Putin, Trump and Netanyahu.
    Why?

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    IIRC the Nobel Peace Prize committee made it very clear that they weren't awarding Obama the Peace Prize for what they thought he could accomplish but instead for what he already had done. This of course led people to ask just what was it that he did, which naturally led to the sound of


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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    This of course led people to ask just what was it that he did...
    He could elegantly sling BS?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqgC1tqifV8

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