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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    And how do you define "whistleblower," rogue?
    There's actually a site for that!

    https://www.whistleblowers.gov/

    And, it prohibits...

    • firing or
    • laying off,
    • demoting,
    • denying overtime or promotion,
    • or reducing pay or hours,



    for engaging in activities protected by OSHA’s whistleblower laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    There's actually a site for that!

    https://www.whistleblowers.gov/

    And, it prohibits...

    • firing or
    • laying off,
    • demoting,
    • denying overtime or promotion,
    • or reducing pay or hours,



    for engaging in activities protected by OSHA’s whistleblower laws.
    More to the point, here's the DoD site for Whistleblower protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Gotta love how the left has redefined "whistleblower" to include plain old leakers and "speak truth to power" to mean anything but.
    No "redefinition" required. A whistle-blower is someone reporting misconduct on a fellow employee, or in this instance a superior - Trump - through anonymous reporting. The substance of this report was corroborated by numerous witnesses during the House inquiry. And all indications are that they would have been corroborated by witnesses at the Senate trial - which is why Trump wouldn't allow them to be called. After all, the person on trial can't be expected to permit evidence against him. <sarcasm>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassmoron View Post
    The substance of this report was corroborated by numerous witnesses during the House inquiry.
    In reality, Eric Ciaramella got a number of facts wildly wrong, but it wasn't necessarily his fault because be wasn't a firsthand witnesses and was just passing on what he had heard from Vindman who lied to Ciaramella about the nature and sunshine of the phone call.
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    That should of course be "nature and SUBSTANCE of the phone call."

    Autocorrect and posting from my phone without my glasses strikes again...
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    https://www.businessinsider.com/impe...e-house-2020-2


    Lt. Col Alexander Vindman was ousted from his role on the National Security Council and escorted out of the White House on Friday, his lawyer told Insider.

    Vindman's twin brother, Yevgeny, was also fired, Pressman said.


    Obviously gross and likely illegal to fire Alexander. But is there anyone who will defend firing his brother who had nothing to do with Alexander's (subpoeaned) testimony? I know there are a lot of military or military adjacent posters on here. Maybe they can explain this in a positive light?

    The Republican Party (minus Mittens) owns everything that's coming down the "pike".
    The thread title is a bit disingenuous.... when a military officer is "reassigned", you don't call that "fired". Even Snopes has a hard time buying this narrative.

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    What's True
    O'Brien said during an interview that Vindman, like other NSC staff at the White House, would eventually be rotated back to his own department.

    What's False
    However, O'Brien did not state that Vindman had been "fired" or "removed" from the NSC, nor did he offer a timeline for when Vindman would be rotated back to his department.


    Unless somebody can demonstrate that Vindman was reduced in rank, stripped of rank, lost or received a decrease in pay, lost benefits, and/or is no longer serving in the military, it's nonsense to say he was "fired".
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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineOb View Post
    https://www.businessinsider.com/impe...e-house-2020-2


    Lt. Col Alexander Vindman was ousted from his role on the National Security Council and escorted out of the White House on Friday, his lawyer told Insider.

    Vindman's twin brother, Yevgeny, was also fired, Pressman said.


    Obviously gross and likely illegal to fire Alexander. But is there anyone who will defend firing his brother who had nothing to do with Alexander's (subpoeaned) testimony? I know there are a lot of military or military adjacent posters on here. Maybe they can explain this in a positive light?

    The Republican Party (minus Mittens) owns everything that's coming down the "pike".
    You can not be fired from the military. Unless they were discharged, which they weren't, they can be reassigned to another position but no, they were not fired.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    That should of course be "nature and SUBSTANCE of the phone call."

    Autocorrect and posting from my phone without my glasses strikes again...
    I like it the other way. Adds some flair!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The Democrats showed Trump where the rats were hiding. Elections have consequences!
    You mean the "rats" like Sondland who paid a million bucks to Trump in order to secure an abassador position? Trump is an unprincipled wannabe dictator and demands loyalty to himself not to the country or the law. The only rats in hiding are Trump and his loyal corrupt associates who refused to testify. His supporters, like you, aren't in hiding, they're just hiding from the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    You mean the "rats" like Sondland who paid a million bucks to Trump in order to secure an abassador position? Trump is an unprincipled wannabe dictator and demands loyalty to himself not to the country or the law. The only rats in hiding are Trump and his loyal corrupt associates who refused to testify. His supporters, like you, aren't in hiding, they're just hiding from the truth.
    You mean Trump did what Obama did? I’ll wait for your condemning of Obama any second now...
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